Just Crouton Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Order_to_Charge"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Order_to_Charge[/url] Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 It dodges Stardust...and that's it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1297548676' post='5005309'] It dodges Stardust...and that's it... [/quote] This doesn't get by Stardust Dragon at all. Even though you don't Tribute the Monster at activation, the intent of the effect is still the same. The cards only effect is to "Tribute a Normal Monster and destroy 1 monster card on the field". If left untouched, the monster WILL be tributed and a monster on the field WILL be destroyed. Its not something that might happen, it definitely will happen at activation considering nothing is changed to remove said "Normal Monster" from the field. Regardless of that fact, Only a card's own effect/card text can determine whether or not Stardust Dragon can be chained to it. This is definitely a card that will destroy a card on the field, that is its only effect. "Order to Charge's" own effect does not leave out any possibility of "will not destroy" in its own effect. Its not "After this card resolves, you MAY/CAN tribute the card and destroy 1 monster on the field" where destruction of a card is uncertain. Its going to happen. Stardust Dragon CAN negate Order to Charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1297553388' post='5005502'] This doesn't get by Stardust Dragon at all. Even though you don't Tribute the Monster at activation, the intent of the effect is still the same. The cards only effect is to "Tribute a Normal Monster and destroy 1 monster card on the field". If left untouched, the monster WILL be tributed and a monster on the field WILL be destroyed. Its not something that might happen, it definitely will happen at activation considering nothing is changed to remove said "Normal Monster" from the field. Regardless of that fact, Only a card's own effect/card text can determine whether or not Stardust Dragon can be chained to it. This is definitely a card that will destroy a card on the field, that is its only effect. "Order to Charge's" own effect does not leave out any possibility of "will not destroy" in its own effect. Its not "After this card resolves, you MAY/CAN tribute the card and destroy 1 monster on the field" where destruction of a card is uncertain. Its going to happen. Stardust Dragon CAN negate Order to Charge. [/quote] [quote]* This card bypasses the usual pitfalls of costs and destruction effects. It essentially has two effects. The first targets your monster when its activated. The second--which only activates after your oppoent is done chaining (if they bothered)--tributes your monster and targets/destroys an opponent's. So, your opponent can't use effects like Prime Material Dragon or Stardust Dragon (since nothing will be destroyed immediately). And, if your opponent negates this card, you don't tribute. However, keep in mind that continuous effects still apply. (I.E. You can't target a dragon with Lord of D. on the field.) [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Yeah well, the wiki is wrong. Yes, I will say that. It doesn't have to destroy immediately. So long as destruction is 100% in some way shape or form, Stardust Dragon can stop it. This card does not target a monster to be destroyed either at activation (it only targets the Normal Monster to be tributed), but its effect will destroy a monster on the field, which Stardust Dragon can be tributed to prevent that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 It doesn't have a cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Urrm...Urrm...Can't think of any decent uses for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Gideon. Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1297555432' post='5005572'] Yeah well, the wiki is wrong. Yes, I will say that. It doesn't have to destroy immediately. So long as destruction is 100% in some way shape or form, Stardust Dragon can stop it. This card does not target a monster to be destroyed either at activation (it only targets the Normal Monster to be tributed), but its effect will destroy a monster on the field, which Stardust Dragon can be tributed to prevent that. [/quote] Cards like this, Snipe Hunter, Magical Dimension, etc cannot be stopped by Stardust. -1, and doesn't deserve the space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Take away the bracketed part and you have a useable card. Apart from that, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name=':: -OmeGa DeviL- ::' timestamp='1297599236' post='5006515'] Cards like this, Snipe Hunter, Magical Dimension, etc cannot be stopped by Stardust [/quote] Correct, cards like Snipe Hunter and Magical Dimension cannot because at activation it is not guaranteed something will be destroyed and that is the only reason. With no interference from other cards... Snipe Hunter has a 66% chance of destroying something, since its not 100%, Stardust Dragon cannot negate it. Magical Dimension's destruction is optional, so at activate, it is not guaranteed something on the field would be destroyed, so Stardust Dragon cannot negate it. Order to Charge CAN be negated by Stardust Dragon because at activation, something will definitely be destroyed 100%. The destruction of Order to Charge is mandatory, its not optional in any way nor is there a chance due to its own effect that it wont happen. Unless you can think of a better claim or reasoning, do not just blindly follow the wiki and use your heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I test it on WC10...and I couldn't chain Stardust to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1297641483' post='5007519'] I test it on WC10...and I couldn't chain Stardust to it... [/quote] Then that'd be wrong because I also did that the other day >_>; And I could. Its gotta be one of us that's correct I'll check it again to be sure when I get home, but I know I was able to. I always test my crap out before making a fool of myself the same way Dx in both TF and DS ones, though usually just the WC games cause the first opponent is incredibly easy unlike Tag Force opponents who have decent enough decks to start with >< And even then, logically, there's no reason, absolutely none, that would not allow Stardust Dragon to chain to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wero-vasto Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Gemini use? BTW: [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101024085336/yugioh/images/0/0f/GeminiSparkSOVR-EN-C-UE.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I tried it again and yes I am still able to negate it with Stardust Dragon in WC2010. Be sure to hold down down A to force the window to appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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