Mehmani Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Before the Thought Police (i.e. Yankee) delete this thread, let's have a little debate. Should we have "Mod Elections", or are we too stupid to actually see their uses? Should the governing of this site be at least partly in our hands? You, insignificant and weak YCM, decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 It should be a deomocratic. I think people on YCM should have some say in how this place governs itself, even if they don't know what they are saying half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Mod Elections could be good and bad. YCM might elect a retard, or they could elect someone who makes the forum better. And we have some say. Not much, but some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice. Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 If YCM can pull it off this is a good idea. But I doubt YCM can pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Nah, I trust YCMaker's judgment. And [i]some[/i] people here are [i]somewhat[/i] gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Most forums (including YCM) believes popularity = ability to mod....when it is not so. We are to stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1297562734' post='5005783'] Most forums (including YCM) believes popularity = ability to mod....when it is not so. We are to stupid. [/quote] +Repped. While it may look like the recent mod choices were out of pure popularity (Pikaperson and Sephiroth/Marblezone does not count as he has been suggested since around the time Opalmoon became a moderator); the lines between them are extremely stressed and we talked about it for a long time. As far as forums actually go. I believe it should be a mix. There are certain things that must get done, and people will disagree but if the Moderator sees it as a justifiable means to an end of a bad thing then so be it. The general consensus is exactly that, to manipulate ones opinion in favor of another; but there is no guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I have to say no, because most forums consist of mostly idiots, and YCM is definitely no exception. We're probably one of the worst >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think YCMaker should have a final say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 So far two people have suggested we trust someone who never contacts anyone in this whole forum? Someone who only posts when it is about code updates? Jesus, YCM is too stupid to try elections. First of all, I think elections would be a good thing. We don't get a say in anything at the moment unless it happens to be exactly the same thing a moderator is saying. Moderator standards are getting better, but we still have a bad team. But we also have a terrible forum population who know pretty much nothing, but we don't have the right to restrict the vote to only those we deem "suitable to vote". The moderators are still positively Orwellian and some will still ban you for negging them, but some are better. MarbleZone is a good example, I think he's the best moderator this site has ever had. Crab Helmet just shouts and uses crude humour to cover up anything anyone says in retaliation to him and bans them on the spot. Frunk doesn't care. Yankee is utterly ridiculous. Josh is a nice guy but too judgemental. The vast majority of mods have flaws, some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowShine Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I don't seek modship. If we elected mods it would be a battle of popularity or a movement in which the most unlikely candidate is voted to be mod as a huge troll attempt. As LZ said; people think that popularity = moderator. So no; I don't think there should be mod elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='+LeoMence' timestamp='1297558638' post='5005622'] It should be a deomocratic. I think people on YCM should have some say in how this place governs itself, even if they don't know what they are saying half the time. [/quote] Id rather have it republican but then again YCM's internet population consist's of about 99.9% of democrats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 If we had elections do you know how many people would be like, "Hey I wanna be a mod, me, me, me!" Then they could BRIBE people to vote them into modship. Bribes exist, and are the main reason I think elections would be bogus. And everyone has flaws, including the mods. If you know what their flaws are, stop complaining about it already and learn to work around them. [/thread] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1297627916' post='5007147'] Id rather have it republican but then again YCM's internet population consist's of about 99.9% of democrats... [/quote] That's the Internet in general, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Halubaris Maphotika' timestamp='1297627916' post='5007147'] Id rather have it republican but then again YCM's internet population consist's of about 99.9% of democrats... [/quote] You really are an idiot. I said it should be "democratic" not "run by a democrat". If you don't know the difference, you are even more stupid than any rational person on this site thought you were. [quote name='TheComposer' timestamp='1297628862' post='5007168'] If we had elections do you know how many people would be like, "Hey I wanna be a mod, me, me, me!" Then they could BRIBE people to vote them into modship. Bribes exist, and are the main reason I think elections would be bogus. And everyone has flaws, including the mods. If you know what their flaws are, stop complaining about it already and learn to work around them. [/quote] We'd need to have political groups who would then have certain members run for group leader and then have an election based on group leaders. Also, the real world has bribes. Everyone in the real world also has flaws. Your logic dictates that real life elections are also bogus. That's definitely flawed, though I can see where you are coming from. We would need good security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice. Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Mikhail Tal' timestamp='1297630488' post='5007207'] We'd need to have political groups who would then have certain members run for group leader and then have an election based on group leaders. Also, the real world has bribes. Everyone in the real world also has flaws. Your logic dictates that real life elections are also bogus. That's definitely flawed, though I can see where you are coming from. We would need good security. [/quote] Well obviously we should have background checks on candidates to see if they're qualified. That way, if somebody like Halubaris Maphotika bribed people and somehow won, we'll see that he does not seem qualified at all and we'd prevent him from winning. Also, members should have a decent amount of posts/be on YCM for a while. And posts in C&O wouldn't count because really those posts would rarely show anything that could play a role in the members election. This would also prevent people making new accounts to bypass the background check. This is obviously flawed but it's an idea that people can work off of, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted February 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Wind Sorcerer Vaati' timestamp='1297631160' post='5007224'] Well obviously we should have background checks on candidates to see if they're qualified. That way, if somebody like Halubaris Maphotika bribed people and somehow won, we'll see that he does not seem qualified at all and we'd prevent him from winning. Also, members should have a decent amount of posts/be on YCM for a while. And posts in C&O wouldn't count because really those posts would rarely show anything that could play a role in the members election. This would also prevent people making new accounts to bypass the background check. This is obviously flawed but it's an idea that people can work off of, imo. [/quote] I'm glad you mentioned the whole C&O posts thing, because it leads on to my other point - in most YCM competitions involving voting, C&O figures always win because the entire population of C&O vote for them like the mindless Pythonesque scrubs they are. We would need to prevent this happening in the actual elec- Wait, why are we even discussing this? The moderators would never, ever agree to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 LOLOLOL No. Do you have any idea the consequences of YCM being a democracy? The things that would happen.... IE: Larxene as a mod... Actually, that's all I can think of... (And more variations of that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glоrious Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 This forum is a dictatorship. Unless you kill the dictator, you don't have a say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Here's a good compromise to give the member-base more power and to give YCMaker the final say in these decisions. The members decide when/if we need a new mod, choose five or six people that would be decent candidates, and YCMaker makes a final decision from those five or six. Because YCMaker most likely knows nothing about what kinds of mods we need or who we like as people. If anyone remembers when Hunter was mod, he was the kind of person who was illogical, warned whoever the hell he felt like, and didn't warn his friends when they did bad things. MarbleZone was the best mod promotion YCMaker has ever done, but I doubt that was by himself. People obviously helped him in that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1297636306' post='5007376'] Because YCMaker most likely knows nothing about what kinds of mods we need or who we like as people. If anyone remembers when Hunter was mod, he was the kind of person who was illogical, warned whoever the hell he felt like, and didn't warn his friends when they did bad things. MarbleZone was the best mod promotion YCMaker has ever done, but I doubt that was by himself. People obviously helped him in that decision. [/quote] Again, Hunter is by far one of the finest Custom Card Moderators YCM has ever had. So that would be an incomplete thing regarding him. And Marblezone was promoted by Falling Pizza, not YCMaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ярополк Пономарёв Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 [quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1297636423' post='5007380'] Again, Hunter is by far one of the finest Custom Card Moderators YCM has ever had. So that would be an incomplete thing regarding him. And Marblezone was promoted by Falling Pizza, not YCMaker. [/quote] Falling Pizza was online? Wow I thought he was never on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 [quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1297636423' post='5007380'] Again, Hunter is by far one of the finest Custom Card Moderators YCM has ever had. So that would be an incomplete thing regarding him. And Marblezone was promoted by Falling Pizza, not YCMaker. [/quote] I don't care how good he was in CC; that doesn't concern me at all. He was the worst General mod I've ever experienced in three years, and that will stand as a [b]fact[/b], not some bloody opinion from an ass. Also, do remember the time when Huntar banned someone for taking his old username. His illogical half-brain didn't realize that if you change your name, someone can and will take your old name, and he was pissed so he want banhammer-happy. Also, that just furthers the point that YCMaker knows nothing about what the members need, and since the members are about 99.9999% of the forum, it shows he doesn't know what we want, either. But Falling Pizza gets a happy face from me for promoting MarbleZone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Corgi Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 I don't really care about this, because I probarly will be NecroMinusRepped by a gang of noobs and never get to be a mod in my whole life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Issun Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Well, a democracy would be the best idea, of course only members who have, I don't know, 4-6 stars, could run, and only if those stars were earend honestly (not by trolling) They would, of course, be nearly required to make posts in the election thread (if there is one) which would be the equivalent of speeches that canidates give during presidential elections, they also must carry out promises they make, within a reasonable amount of time, and may not abuse there powers (banning or warning anyone for doing nothing wrong) or they shall be demoted by a higher power. Although mabye all mods should be at the same level, with only one super mod ((s)he would have to be active) to manage the council of mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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