Justice Master Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Something's been bugging me for a while. I am constantly reminded the amount of prejudice against some creativity, and the amount of praise for the other. What I'm talking about is how fake types are usually a reason to take points off of one's card, but when someone uses an original template they get points. Why? I've never seen a red card and it gets a ten for being different and creative, yet when I look at a card with "Winged-Warrior type" on it gets a six for being different and creative. It's the same with a dark synchro. Why is some creativity recommended over the other. If someone makes winged warrior, they get crap unless Konami made it official. How about we either support all creativity in cards, or none of it and wait for Konami's every move. What are your thoughts on the subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smesh Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 If you're talking about 1v1s just deny the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not voting, rating on Realistic Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 >[b]Real[/b]istic >Fake-Types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 So using a black card is realistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ash Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 It is if it's an Exceed monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Dark Synchros: Used in anime Exceed: Soon to be released Fake-types: Son.....you're not Konami tl;dr: Changing card border =/= changing card types (this is just how YCM has always viewed it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 So if Konami didn't make it we can't do it. That makes this forum pretty lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 [quote name='Justice Master' timestamp='1298159940' post='5019205'] So if Konami didn't make it we can't do it. That makes this forum pretty lame. [/quote] I didn't say you couldn't, I'm just saying that it is frowned upon in Realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Master Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 What I was trying to get at is that if someone posts a card with flames on it, it's good. I make a new type, I have committed a sin. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 I think it's been thoroughly explained. How each person takes the explanation is their own problem, but your question has most certainly been answered. The "flames vs new type" argument is particularly weak, and it's starting to look like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Some people don't like fake types because they don't regard them as realistic, since they weren't introduced in the anime or the OCG/TCG, simple as. Not everyone feels this way, but evidently some do and rate accordingly. They're entitled to their own opinion and anyone posting cards is subjected to criticism. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half vamp riku the 2nd Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 When I was using my original account,my cards sucked absolute monkey balls,I didn't bad ratings because of fake types,I got bad ratings because they sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Sometimes Fake Types CAN Work. My Field Chibi monsters are a great example of this, the Tyoe was Fairy/Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 Fake-Types [color="#FF0000"][b][u][i]ARE ALLOWED[/i][/u][/b][/color] provided they expand on it enough to justify it. If you receive any creativity limiting disgust, ignore it and keep trying. That's what me, Azrael, Yankeefan, Dj and J-Max did. And look where it got all of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoulish Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 depends, the way I'd ratye a fake sub-type is dependent on how authentic it COULD be eg: "Tool-Type" pointless and easily replaceable, however "Winged-Warrior" (like you mentioned) or even "Vapour" i'd take into consideration. Why it's that type is important, how i rate cards is centered around "originality" so I personally welcome fake sub-types as long as their is effort put in to why their made and they meet my standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 New concepts/types/ideas go to the 'Any Other' card section. Realistic cards follow the proper OCG and type rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Just go to friggin AoC. Problem is, YCM's Cards section are flooded with idiots. The most idiotic of all these idiots crammed up in this idiotic forum are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='Pikachu' timestamp='1298185335' post='5020166'] New concepts/types/ideas go to the 'Any Other' card section. Realistic cards follow the proper OCG and type rules. [/quote] Please do not circumvent such things that are not true. It makes you look bad and causes problems such as the one the TC is talking about. If you want to determine how worthy a fake-type is, look at the Armor-Type in the Cartoon (if they were a strict type instead of subtype). If your set has as many cards as it, and does not have an Archetypical name then yes it can be posted in there. Also, proper "OCG" is a complete lie. If Konami decides to change it, then the whole system falls apart. Instead make it so it follows the TCG rules and you've got good grammar on your card. Anything else is just making the card prettier and adding to the cosmetic value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SJ- Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 You may wonder why I gave a Positive Reply to Josh. He says it all. As long as the types are explained well and have a point (or at least make sense) they can be there, it would be unfair if they could not. And OCG is not that important. It makes it look authentic, but as long as the cards transmits its idea, it is realistic. If I misunderstood anything, please correct me because I am not that good in interpretation, I am just showing my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='-SJ-' timestamp='1298309237' post='5023698'] You may wonder why I gave a Positive Reply to Josh. He says it all. As long as the types are explained well and have a point (or at least make sense) they can be there, it would be unfair if they could not. And OCG is not that important. It makes it look authentic, but as long as the cards transmits its idea, it is realistic. If I misunderstood anything, please correct me because I am not that good in interpretation, I am just showing my point of view. [/quote] Same thing goes for DIVINE monsters too, I don't like when people make DIVINE monsters that are pointless,otherwise they're fine. If you actually read the rules in RC, there is NO mention of fake types or DIVINE monsters. The only cards that are specifically mentioned are Dark Synchros/Tuners and Joke Cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1298308779' post='5023688'] Also, proper "OCG" is a complete lie. If Konami decides to change it, then the whole system falls apart. Instead make it so it follows the TCG rules and you've got good grammar on your card. Anything else is just making the card prettier and adding to the cosmetic value. [/quote] You really make me laugh sometimes, you know that? If Konami changes it then that becomes the new official card grammar. People would change their cards to match and nothing would be thought of it. OCG shows that a person has researched what they are doing and cares enough to commit it to memory. Back in the day I hated Fake Types with a passion. I started the FDD (Fake Destruction Division) to get them wiped off Realistic. I p0rn-spammed the Fake Knights' official forum and roped a bunch of YCMembers into helping me. It was fun and had some sort of effect. I even wrote a hilariously dramatic speech about my bigotry back then: [spoiler=Ellipsis] Ladies and Gentlemen, apologies for everything I may have done to you in my one year & three month stay on this rather nice website. This site is quite a lot better than certain people make it out to be. Sure, it's had its fair share of problems, but overall it's achieved a lot, don't you think? Look at the number of members that have registered here, looking how many posts there have been in General alone. ONE MILLION! That's definitely something, isn't it? I mean, you can't really help but commend or even comprehend the sheer scale of it, can you (unless you happen to own or co-own a large-scale site or organization)? This site is really something. Something quite phenomenal. And since the very day I joined this site, I made an oath that I would do something brilliant for this site, even if it got me banned. And even more brilliant if I am banned in doing it, that would make me something of a martyr! I was ever so slightly deluded, even fundamental about it, you could say. Comparable to a child that had been brought up in an extremist, brainwashing cult. Before you ask, this is not about religion. You could certainly treat it as a religion, be you intelligent or perceptive enough to understand the psychological mindset and complexes behind it. Because soon enough, I will return YCM to what it should be. Not the anarchic wasteland that we would get should overthrow the Mods, no, certainly not. I have no wish to overthrow the governing body of this site; some of them are lovely people. By YCM, I mean not the forums (though a certain section plays an important part in this particular monologue). No, I mean the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Maker. Say it out loud, many of you reading this have probably not used it, let alone said that phrase out loud in quite an amount of time. It is for making cards. This site is for the talented individuals that have studied the Art of Card-Making and it's rules very well, people who want to excel in the Art of Card-Making itself. I too wanted to do this when I first joined, it was my one and only reason for joining this site and integrating into its community by opening a shop, debating, running contests, getting my first warning and so on. As you may get from the first sentence of this paragraph, I am talking about the rules of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Game. These rules list 17 (Psychic may make it 18, I'm not sure) types that will cover every single card that will ever be made or has been made. I wish to, in banning, do one last thing for this site. That thing is to remove Fake Types and the club that dabbles in them. At first I wasn't disgusted at all by Fake Types, I experimented with them myself during my first months here. But when I saw a message in a member's signature (Awesomeness DZ AKA coolboy968) with a link to the Fake Kingdom thread, saying (with original baad grmmur) 'plz stop teh fake kngihts adn tere spammmy thred', I felt a strange compulsion to click it, as I often get from links. What I was greeted by was possibly the most hideous thread I've seen in years. It was spam, in its purest form. Good God, I thought (despite having a hatred for religion). Whatever reason/clause this club must have to exist must have some very fundamental, devout followers, else why would it still be open? I immediately began campaigning against it, and I was quite happy when it was locked and they were forced to move on to a new thread. But.....I wasn't happy enough. The Fake Type Rebellion weren't doing much to stop them, all they did was encourage the Fake Knights, improve their confidence. This is why I started the FDD about 4 days ago. The FDD will disband because of my impending ban, but they will go out with a bang that the vast majority of YCM would love to see put into action. And the thing is YCM can't do anything about it. It will happen mostly on a different site, so we are untouchable unless we spam attack YCM itself. YCMaker doesn't bother with this site much at all, so I could hardly see him standing up for a different site altogether. Ellipsis is coming. We will do for this other site what Draco, the Coolios and OMGAKITTY could never do with YCM. Ellipsis will rage hard, and strong, and nothing will ever stop it. Fake Types will disappear from this site soon, and they will hopefully be eradicated to give me a legacy on this site, a Draco or OMGAKITTY type of legacy that people will yearn for and remember. Ellipsis begins now.[/spoiler] In short, I goatse-bombed the FK official forum and ranted about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-SJ- Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Metagross386' timestamp='1298315393' post='5023905'] Same thing goes for DIVINE monsters too, I don't like when people make DIVINE monsters that are pointless,otherwise they're fine. If you actually read the rules in RC, there is NO mention of fake types or DIVINE monsters. The only cards that are specifically mentioned are Dark Synchros/Tuners and Joke Cards. [/quote] So, it is allowed to post DIVINE monsters. And the point of all cards is to make sense, so as long as that happens, it is ok. I just do not understand why we could not expand the Dark Synchro/Tuner family. They have an interesting mechanic that can work after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='-SJ-' timestamp='1298400218' post='5026725'] So, it is allowed to post DIVINE monsters. And the point of all cards is to make sense, so as long as that happens, it is ok. I just do not understand why we could not expand the Dark Synchro/Tuner family. They have an interesting mechanic that can work after all. [/quote] Yes DIVINE are allowed if you have good reason. Dark Synchros and Dark Tuners are not allowed because they were only used in the show, and are thus not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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