Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ok. At my locals the other day I heard a gentleman say that he had pre-ordered a whole case of the Movie packs and when he got them he was going to try and pull atleast 6 copys of all 9 cards. If he did, he was going to make a straight Malefic deck and then make another with the addition of one card. Ancient Fairy Dragon. A few people were like "WTH??? Why would you put a card in a deck that has the sheer ability to ruin your strategy and destroy your Malefics by using it's effect to destroy the field spell card?" His reply was thus: "I am slotting it in because of that very reason. When I get down to it, If my opponent tries anything, or I wanna make the duel end quick, I'll have a simple Malefic like BEWD or Red Eyes out with a fieldspell. probably Malefic World, and I'll synchro for Ancient Fairy Dragon, Use it's effect to destory my own field, get a new one out, activate it, then use Malefic Truth Dragons Effect and summon it with the destruction of my former Malefic, then equip something like Twin Swords, and go for game." Many people had a quizzical look on their face and within ten minutes there was 65 Google tabs open on their smartphones logged into Yugioh Wikia. No one challenged the whole strategy, and he has the deck ready for next yugioh day at locals. So, Would Ancient Fairy Dragon be useful in a Malefic deck as described? or would it be harmful? Yugioh Wikia has no ruling against such a strategy as of yet, and nothing on rulings for or against it. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 By the time the second field spell was activated, Malefic Truth Dragon's effect would have already happened. Thus, you would only be able to Special Summon it between the first field being destroyed and the second field being activated. Since there is no field spell, Truth would die. I don't see a way this strategy would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 According to him, and this is where I am having my problems, you do not have to special summon Truth. It is more of a either you can or cant. So he will activate the field spell, then use Truths Special summon effect to send him out. Thats Demise of the landhow he explained it, so that is why I posted this because that was my problem. I think a better plan would be adding in Demise of The Land and then Torriential your own Malefic in order to summon Truth... but that may have its unseen flaws... I just wanna know what the ruling on this other gentlemans plan would be so incase I get stuck dueling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 This doesn't work. He can only summon Truth at the exact point where the condition is fulfilled. When he does that, there will be no field spell out. He doesn't get an opportunity to play a new one and then summon it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I just found this, which may be what he is basing his theory on. This is from Yugioh Wikia If a "Malefic" monster other than "Malefic Truth Dragon" is destroyed in the middle of resolving a Chain, then you can Special Summon "Malefic Truth Dragon" after you finish resolving the Chain. Source: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Malefic_Truth_Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Eibon1307' timestamp='1298967771' post='5043146'] I just found this, which may be what he is basing his theory on. This is from Yugioh Wikia If a "Malefic" monster other than "Malefic Truth Dragon" is destroyed in the middle of resolving a Chain, then you can Special Summon "Malefic Truth Dragon" after you finish resolving the Chain. Source: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Malefic_Truth_Dragon [/quote] That still doesn't allow the combo to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Eibon1307' timestamp='1298967771' post='5043146'] I just found this, which may be what he is basing his theory on. This is from Yugioh Wikia If a "Malefic" monster other than "Malefic Truth Dragon" is destroyed in the middle of resolving a Chain, then you can Special Summon "Malefic Truth Dragon" after you finish resolving the Chain. Source: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Malefic_Truth_Dragon [/quote] Yes, but the Malefic monster was destroyed because the field was gone. Activating another field is not a chain whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ok. Good to know. I think a better combo woulld be, have Malefic world on the field with a Malefic monster, play Demise of the land/terraforming, activate a new spell card whcih will destroy the old malefic and then you can activate the effect of Truth and bring him out, possibly play megamorph and Shooting Star Bow Ceal, an OTK.I think he's saying that the effect of Truth isn't mandatory so you are allowed to play the field card first then activate Truths effect, but Burnpsy said it wouldnt work so I am glad cause I will most likely get stuck dueling him and do not wish to have to deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Eibon1307' timestamp='1298968061' post='5043150'] Ok. Good to know. I think a better combo woulld be, have Malefic world on the field with a Malefic monster, play Demise of the land/terraforming, activate a new spell card whcih will destroy the old malefic and then you can activate the effect of Truth and bring him out, possibly play megamorph and Shooting Star Bow Ceal, an OTK. [/quote] Activating a new field doesn't work, because there is still an active field, so the malefic isn't destroyed. I think you may be able to chain Demise of the Land to Truths summon activation, thus letting you bring it out safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 This is what i found in the tips, hence my plan. Siurce: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Tips:Malefic_Truth_Dragon An easy way to get this card out is by playing a field spell while one is already out and you have a malefic. Since playing a new field spell will destroy the old one the malefic card wil destroy itself because of its card effect which means you can summon malefic truth and you already have a field spell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 The effect [i]"If a face-up "Malefic" monster, except "Malefic Truth Dragon", is destroyed by battle or a card effect, you can pay half your Life Points to Special Summon this card from your hand or Graveyard."[/i] of Malefic Truth Dragon CANNOT miss the timing. This is because this Trigger Effect has no specified timing (i.e. The effect has no "When" clause.) If you activate a new Field Spell card over the first Field Spell, which then causes your Malefic Monster(s) to be destroyed because there isn't a Field Spell (or for any other time when a Malefic Monster would be destroyed during the middle of a chain resolving), then when the second Field Spell resolves, you can activate "Malefic Truth Dragon's" effect to Special Summon itself by paying half your Life Points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Sweet. Thanks Darkwolf for clearing that all up. And thanks to everyone else who has helped me with this. I appreciate this. Now I will be prepared for Locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 [quote name='Eibon1307' timestamp='1298965724' post='5043129'] His reply was thus: "I am slotting it in because of that very reason. When I get down to it, If my opponent tries anything, or I wanna make the duel end quick, I'll have a simple Malefic like BEWD or Red Eyes out with a fieldspell. probably Malefic World, and I'll synchro for Ancient Fairy Dragon, Use it's effect to destory my own field, get a new one out, [b]activate it, then use Malefic Truth Dragons Effect and summon it with the destruction of my former Malefic[/b], then equip something like Twin Swords, and go for game." Discuss. [/quote] As for what the TC said, it cannot be done for the bolded reasons. If you use "Ancient Fairy Dragon"'s effect to destroy the Field Spell card (which destroys the Malefic), gain Life Points, and add a Field Spell Card to his hand, after this resolves, this is the timing for "Malefic Truth Dragon" to activate. If he decides to Summon it at this time, it would destroy itself because there is no Field Spell Card on the field. If he activates the Field Spell Card in his hand, that would mean that he chose not to Special Summon "Malefic Truth Dragon" and does not get another opportunity until another Malefic is destroyed. He would not have the time to activate the Field Spell Card he searched the Deck for with Ancient Fairy Dragon before "Malefic Truth Dragon's" effect timing. *Edit: It would appear burnpsy already caught onto that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Ok. Gotcha. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 This topic is now pointless, so hijack: Discuss on Ancient Fairy Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 You do realize that his straight Malefic deck, despite its ingenious strategy, is utterly hopeless against any well-played Tier 1 or 2 decks. You are fine. It seems pretty easy to dismantle as well as it doesn't have many defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Tell him to use Wisel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I only bought 2 Movie Packs and I have all the Malefic stuff I need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibon1307 Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I know Malefic decks are quite beatable, except the problem with my locals are they are either always Anti-meta, or they follow the recent deck trends. Lately it's either been a spam of Frognarchs, Rai-oh beatdowns, or Empty Jar and then a lot of random decks popping up. I think I saw a LS and a BW last week, and there are alot of players who are just using Toolbox decks. No one is taking play seriously right now and wont take it as such until it comes closer to October when our Regionals are held, so alot of people are playing random things and this Malefic deck will be making an annoying appearance tomorrow and not many people will be slotted to duel him. I may be because I didn't duel last week and so I have a 0/0 on my scorecard, add that to my 1/2 from the week before, and I will be one of only 6 who will be in that slot, including him. So, since I have no Ancient Fairy Dragon or anti-field spell cards, I am alittle up the creek. My closest Meta deck is a BW one, and BWs are seeing little to 0 play at the moment. This week I may use a Z-burn and a burn deck, then if I have time re-test my Toolbox, but with this guy having this strange plan, I decided to find more answers. On th Hijacked Topic: Ancient Fairy Dragon has a decent Defense and a nice effect, but when dealing with other cards that either A: Dont need Field Spells or B: Don't rely on simple beatstick tactics, it is a 5/10 kind of card. I dont own one, and have yet to need one, but with the Exceed mechanic coming out soon, Ancient Fairy Dragon may be a new add in because of it's effect to summon a LVL 4 once per turn in addition to a normal summon. Then you can Exceed for a monster, and if you use a card that has a burn effect, you wouldn't need to worry about skipping your battle phase. But that is if this new mechanic doesn't make Synchro summoning a dead art, which from what Ive seen at Locals and heard here, it wont. Not many are happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Thor el Señor de los Aesir' timestamp='1299014323' post='5043986'] I only bought 2 Movie Packs and I have all the Malefic stuff I need. [/quote] i've bought 0 and have it all.... AFD is good against GK's... i suppose... thats about it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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