WC Project? Subtypes.

[Icy]

Kay, as we know Written Cards is by far the most intelligent (personal preference on fun etc) as the rest of the board. Well, I was wondering if ya'll would be willing to create a fully functioning Subtype that does not fall under the Archetype Rule System. The Purpose of this would be to show everyone how it works and how to form proper cards regarding it.

(Also: Later I will be creating a giant library of things; a single thread in RC that will not be comment-able on and one in WC that will be commented on and added to. Similar to how the Old Rules Thread did).

[Bringerofcake]

I'm interested, but slightly confused on the Archetype Rule System. Do you refer to the general manner in which Archetypes are created and/or function, or do you refer to something called the Archetype Rule System?

[Icy]

The general manner in how YGO Archetypes Function.

[Bringerofcake]

I see. Again, I voice my support, but I can't think of anything feeasible off the top of my head.

[TheGenuine]

if u can i can help i am a good Expert on picture finding

[Aesirson]

V4, this is WC. And finding a good picture in Jazin Kay's album is something everyone can do.

Nevertheless, this thread has my support.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

Oh I have a nice one to try!

So yeah I suport this...

=3

[Icy]

[quote name='-Dae-' timestamp='1299070425' post='5045622']
Oh I have a nice one to try!

So yeah I suport this...

=3
[/quote]

Can I ask what that one is?
@V4.: Picture finding will not be needed, at all.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

I agree with several of the other users on this topic.
Where is a list of these Archetype rules?

[Bringerofcake]

[quote name='TheFinalFan' timestamp='1299079270' post='5045752']
I agree with several of the other users on this topic.
Where is a list of these Archetype rules?
[/quote]
There isn't one, but I can create one, if necessary.

What I'm wondering about is what you mean by non-Archetypical subtypes. Even long-standing pre-existing ones, like Spirits and Toons have Archetype qualities.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Thank ZONE the Psychics are finally becoming an actual type instead of just a type with a theme.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1299075963' post='5045710']
Can I ask what that one is?
[/quote]

Sure:
They are called Trigger monsters (Name could vary)
Trigger monster are like any other regular monster. Except they have Trigger where the Effect will be written (Just like any other Subtype)

Trigger monster can be Effect monsters but also can be Normal Monsters
There also could Be either Spells or Traps but that would be rare.

Being a Trigger grants all monsters of that type with this ruling:
* When a Trigger monster this drawn during the Draw Phase, you can reveal that card to your opponent.
* "[b]BURST:[/b]" While this card is on the field, when a Trigger monster is revealed during the Draw Phase, the effect under the BURST subclause will be activated.
* Monster that can be Bursted when you trigger a Trigger monster, especify in its card's Text how many time they can be Bursted. If there is no especification, there are no limits on the number of bursts it can have.

[b]Examples:[/b]

This is a Total Trigger monster (As in it has the Trigger Subtype, its own effect and also a Burst Effect)
[b]Bladeshoot Raider
EARTH/Level 4/Warrior-Trigger
ATK:1600/DEF:1300
Effect:[/b] When this card attacks a Defense Position monster with a lower DEF than this card's ATK, inflict the diference as battle Damage. BURST: This card's Original ATK becomes 1900, until the End Phase.

This one one has the Trigger Subtype but will not have an effect unless its BURST is unlocked.
[b]Cannonholder Beetle
FIRE/Level 3/Insect-Trigger
ATK/1200/DEF:800
Effect:[/b] BURST: Once per turn, you can have this card inflicts 300 Damage for each Trigger monster you control.

This one is a Simple Effect monster that happens to have a Burst effect.
[b]Launcher Riding Magician
LIGHT/Level 5/Spellcaster-Effect
ATK:2200/DEF:1300
Effect:[/b] Once per turn you can discard 1 Spell Card to destroy 1 face-up monster your opponent controls. BURST: During this turn, you can Normal Summon this card without tribute.

Flip Effect Monsters can also have the BURST clause.
[b]Future Seer
WIND/Level 2/Psychic-Effect
ATK:800/DEF:1100
Effect: [/b]FLIP: During your Next Draw Phase draw a card, then discard a card. BURST: If the effect of a "Future Seer" you control would make you discard 1 card, you can choose to not discard that card instead.

Other Case is this Synchro Monster which also
[b]Icicle Dragon
WATER/Level 7/Dragon-Synchro-Effect
ATK:2400/DEF:1800
Effect:[/b] 1 Tuner + 1 or more WATER non Tuner monsters
When this card declares an Attack, your opponent cannot activate Spells Or Trap cards until the End of the Damage Step. BURST: During this turn, if this card attacks, you can select 1 card your opponent controls and destroys it. (You can only use this card's BURST effect only twice while this card is face-up on the field.)

Last One...A normal Monster with the Trigger Subtype
[b]Space Warrior
DARK/Level 2/Reptile-Trigger
ATK:400/DEF:1800[/b]
*insert flavor text*

Well I guess I explained more or Less how it works...Card posted here are mere ilustrtive...XD

Also anything that isnt clear...make me know...XD

[Icy]

[quote name='A Veritable Truth' timestamp='1299081118' post='5045776']
There isn't one, but I can create one, if necessary.

What I'm wondering about is what you mean by non-Archetypical subtypes. Even long-standing pre-existing ones, like Spirits and Toons have Archetype qualities.
[/quote]

Then write one. Usually though Subtypes in YGO follow Archetypical Rules, but can be shortened into Keywords rather than explaining it all. And I explained this to reply to Dae... A little... keywordy dont you think? xD

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1299083313' post='5045819']
Then write one. Usually though Subtypes in YGO follow Archetypical Rules, but can be shortened into Keywords rather than explaining it all. And I explained this to reply to Dae... A little... keywordy dont you think? xD
[/quote]

The BURST keyword was only made to have the Trigger based effect not to have such a difficult wording...But it is avodiable...XD

[Icy]

I guess thats another project. Justifiable Keywords... Lovely, 4 on YCM.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1299085810' post='5045868']
I guess thats another project. Justifiable Keywords... Lovely, 4 on YCM.
[/quote]

ehrm how is that?

[Icy]

Need a library of justifiable Keywords in YGO, for YCM.

[Aesirson]

I had a sub-archetype long ago, called Force monsters. They were treated as Normal monsters, but when there was two or more Force monsters on the field all Force monsters would get that monsters effect. Like:

Hydrocannon Force Turtle
Reptile/Force/WATER/4 Stars
This card is treated as a Normal Monster while face-up on the field or in the Graveyard. While this card is face-up on the field and you control 1 or more other Force monsters, this card and all other Force monsters you control are treated as Effect Monsters and gain the following effect:
● Once per turn, you can deal damage to your opponent equal to the Level of this card x100. This card cannot attack during the turn you activate this effect.
ATK/1400 DEF/2000

and

Magnetic Force Dragon
Dragon/Force/LIGHT/8 Stars
This card is treated as a Normal Monster while face-up on the field or in the Graveyard. While this card is face-up on the field and you control 1 or more other Force monsters, this card and all other Force monsters you control are treated as Effect Monsters and gain the following effect:
● Once per turn, you can Tribute this card to take control of 1 face-up monster on your opponent's field until the End Phase. Your opponent can negate this effect by discarding 2 cards OR by paying 1000 life points.
ATK/2000 DEF/2000

OCG is very iffy.

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Do we really need all of these subtypes? I mean, the lack of a wide variety of effect subtypes is what differentiates us from such card games as Duel Masters and Magic: the Gathering.
BTW, the Force subtype is rather similar to the Wave Striker effect type in Duel Masters.

[Icy]

Not really, but its been a big thing in CC for years. And I want a formal standard to create and understand for it.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

To the Guy that mentioned MTG....

That is actually a VERY GOOD refence point...TBQH

[Premier Alexander Romanov]

Thank you. It's just something I noticed. I don't really play MtG, but the card effects seem incredibly confusing with all of the effect types that assume you know what they mean, like "Landwalk" and "Multikicker". With Yu-Gi-Oh!, there isn't as much terminology you have to learn.

[Bringerofcake]

Screw it, I'm just going to rip off Exalted from MTG because I'm too lazy to think of anything simpler:

Turret Ace
EARTH
Machine/Support
3/1200/900
If a non-Support Monster attacks, at the end of the Damage Step, you can activate the following effect:
~Discard 1 card to destroy 1 card on the field OR inflict 1000 damage to your opponent. You cannot activate this effect if this card has attacked this turn.

Sniper Squad
EARTH
Warrior/Support
4/1700/200
If a non-Support monster attacks, you can activate the following effect:
~Negate the activation and effect of cards that activate during the Damage Step, except Support Monsters, and destroy them. You cannot activate this effect if this card has attacked this turn.

Fairy Veil
LIGHT
Fairy/Support
2/300/500
If you control another monster besides "Fairy Veil", this card cannot be attacked. If a non-Support monster attacks, you can apply the following effect:
~The attacking monster cannot be destroyed by card effects during this battle. You cannot apply this effect if this card has attacked this turn.

Soul of the Fiend Sword
DARK
Fiend/Support
1/0/0
If you control a non-Support monster, this card cannot be attacked. If a non-Support monster attacks, you can apply the following effect:
~Increase the ATK of the attacking monster by 900. You cannot apply this effect if this card has attacked this turn.

[Bringerofcake]

Does anybody like Support? Hate Support? (which is entirely possible, seeing as how it's a giant rip-off)

[.Rai]

Is there a chance that this could be implemented into YVD somehow?

Had this idea lying about for a while.

[center][i]Verge Monster Cards are a sub-type of card (therefore can be Synchro, Normal, Ritual, Fusion or Effect Monster Cards). Verge Monsters have this stated on their effects: [/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
•[/b][/size]

[i]There are various variations to this rule. It can be so that there are more than 1 effect to activate:[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate one of the following effects:
•
•[/b][/size]

[i]Also, although 2 or more is usually the amount of Verge Monster Cards needed, that can change. Also, you may be required to change the Battle Position of more than 1 other Verge Monster on the field to activate its effect:[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 3 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 2 other Verge Monsters on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
•[/b][/size]

[i]In the first clause, it may have a condition that it excludes a certain card):[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards (excluding "Insert Card Name Here"), you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
•[/b][/size]

[i]They can also gain effects instead of activating them straight away:[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to gain the following effect:
•[/b][/size]

[i]Some will also have normal effects, in which they will be set out like so (in a similar setout to cards such as Worm Hope), unless it is a Summoning Condition:[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
•
"Insert Other Generic Effect Here"[/b][/size]

[i]Some are also able to change the Battle Position of Verge Monsters on the other side of the field, instead of just your side of the field:[/i]

[size="1"][b]Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on the field to activate the following effect:
•[/b][/size][/center]

[u][b]Examples[/b][/u]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Shatter Berry [壞す・ベリー]
[Plant-Type/LIGHT/Level 2/Verge]
[300 ATK/1100 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
• Special Summon 1 Level 2 or lower monster from your Graveyard in face-up Attack Position. Its effect is negated, cannot be Tributed for a Tribute Summon or be used as a Synchro Material Monster for a Synchro Summon.[/color]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Double-Edge Knight [ダブルエッジドナイト]
[Warrior-Type/EARTH/Level 6/Verge]
[2200 ATK/900 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate one of the following effects:
• Destroy all Verge monsters you control, then draw 2 cards.
• Draw 1 card then destroy 1 card you control.[/color]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Scurvesea Weed [汚い海藻]
[Plant-Type/WATER/Level 1/Verge]
[0 ATK/100 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control exactly 3 Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
• Special Summon up to 2 other "Scurvesea Weeds" from your Graveyard, hand or Deck. Their effects are negated and cannot be Tributed for a Tribute Summon. Your opponent draws 1 card during their next Standby Phase.[/color]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Swarm of Moths [蛾の軍勢]
[Insect-Type/DARK/Level 3/Verge]
[700 ATK/800 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control 1 or more Verge Monster Cards (excluding "Swarm of Moths"), you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
• Destroy 1 card on the field. Both players then draw 1 card during the End Phase.
When you Normal Summon this card, you can Special Summon 1 "Swarm of Moths" from your Deck. Its effect is negated.[/color]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Sakura Priestess [桜の巫女]
[Spellcaster-Type/LIGHT/Level 4/Verge]
[1700 ATK/100 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to gain the following effect:
• Once per turn, you can place 1 Spell Counter on the field. During your End Phase, remove 1 Spell Counter from the field. If you cannot, destroy this card.[/color]

[color="#FFA500"][b]Malicious Ponderer [ディアボリックガイ熟考するマー]
[Fiend-Type/DARK/Level 4/Verge]
[1600 ATK/1500 DEF][/b]
Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on the field to activate the following effect:
• Special Summon 1 Fiend-Type monster from your Graveyard, then destroy 2 cards you control.
Once per turn, if your opponent controls more monsters than you, you can discard 1 card from your hand to treat 1 monster on the field as a Verge Monster.[/color]

[color="#000080"][b]Chained Fortress Earthly Tank [連鎖要塞地上タンク]
[Machine-Type/EARTH/Level 8/Ritual/Verge]
[2600 ATK/1800 DEF][/b]
This monster can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, "Earthly Tank Manufacture". Once per turn, while you control 2 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 1 other Verge Monster on your side of the field to activate the following effect:
• Destroy this card you control to destroy 3 cards on the field.[/color]

[color="#C0C0C0"][b]Djinn of the Eastern Wind [東の風の精霊]
[Fiend-Type/WIND/Level 6/Synchro/Verge]
[2300 ATK/0 DEF][/b]
1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner Monsters
Once per turn, while you control 3 or more Verge Monster Cards, you can change the Battle Position of this card and 2 other Verge Monsters on the field to activate one of the following effects:
• Change the original ATK of 1 monster on the field to 2200.
• Change the original ATK of 1 monster on the field to 2400.
This card returns to your Extra Deck during the End Phase. You can then Special Summon as many of the Synchro Material Monsters used for the Synchro Summon of this card from your Graveyard.[/color]