Homeschooling

[Tentacruel]

Another straightforward topic. What are your view on home education? Also, just in case anyone is wondering, home-schooled students do have to take state exams every year.

[I-dreezyAFG]

you'll never have friends and find young love.

[Dark]

Kind of stupid to be homeschooled, in my opinion, since you miss out on a lot of the experiences most high schoolers go through, but I could really care less. This isn't really a debate, because there is nothing to debate? Anyone with a quarter of a brain would agree that homeschooling is fine and nothing needs to be done about it, so we're really just expressing our opinions about kids who get homeschooled.

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1300138359' post='5074107']
Kind of stupid to be homeschooled, in my opinion, since you miss out on a lot of the experiences most high schoolers go through, but I could really care less. This isn't really a debate, because there is nothing to debate? Anyone with a quarter of a brain would agree that homeschooling is fine and nothing needs to be done about it, so we're really just expressing our opinions about kids who get homeschooled.
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Agh, you're right. This should have gone in general.

[Masochistic Joker]

[quote name='I-dreezyAFG' timestamp='1300119455' post='5073353']
you'll never have friends and find young love.
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I actually thought you were serious there because that's complete bullshit. Depending on the intelligence of the student and the ability to work at your own pace homeschooling is better than public schools. By age, I should be a sophomore in high school but since I was homeschooled I was able to skip several years and i'm currently a sophomore in college. In short, homeschooling be good or bad depends on intelligence

[Cin]

Well put, but you also need to take into account the quality of it. If its poor quality its bad for the child being homeschooled. Its upto what the parents feels is better for the child. However Dark raises some very valid points, however I feel College/University is more essential to life experience than Secondary School/High School.

I sit on the fence about this.

[Marisa Kirisame-ze]

I really dislike the idea of it, coming from someone who relatively enjoys going to school for quite a few reasons:

1) School is where I made the majority of my friends, and my closest friends I've been with since the 1st grade. We've grown up together due to the lovely organization of classes, allowing you to get to know a load of others. School enhances your social ability, and I believe it's something that you need if you want to rise up in the world. When you're home schooled, especially in private lessons, you're taken away from all of that and I have no idea how you'd make your friends. You'd become accustomed to staying indoors in your home, with no one to truly socialize with.

2) Independence and other common sense and abilities. When you're out on campus at school, you have to learn how to stand up for yourself, get all your work done, find your way to your classes and other departments in the school, as well as learn how to talk on your own to others instead of expect someone to drag you around on a leash. Also, it's the one way to get out of the house and free yourself of your parents, who can become overwhelming and stressful at times.

3) Finding yourself and building character. Sure, my family and other outings that have nothing to do with school has characterized who I am, but school had a major impact on all these things. When I'm away from the sanctuary of my home, I can be free, thus allowing myself to just, well... be myself. For instance, I'm bisexual, and I can express that easily at school, but by the time I come home, I have to take precautions to make sure my family doesn't find out when I don't want them to. Does that make sense? Probably not. Try and get the point.

4) The learning experience is different when you have to learn with about 40 people in a classroom, dependent on the grade and school. It also becomes more fun then just having a teacher have their head over your shoulders 24/7.

And well, you all probably understand these things and these are points probably said already.

[Masochistic Joker]

Problems with the social problems excuse.
Places to socialize and make friends:
Mall
Library
Church
Sports Games
Arcades
Town Fairs
Internet
Jobs
Bowling alley
Local park

Funny how religious beliefs and type of person can't be used as an excuse since all of the above apply to at least one.

[Dark]

[quote name='Masochistic Joker' timestamp='1301011926' post='5094631']
Problems with the social problems excuse.
Places to socialize and make friends:
Mall
Library
Church
Sports Games
Arcades
Town Fairs
Internet
Jobs
Bowling alley
Local park

Funny how religious beliefs and type of person can't be used as an excuse since all of the above apply to at least one.
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I love how bowling alley is listed in there randomly... you could have made a broader category like "SPORTS" or something, which could also include sports games.

School is something you do regularly, five times a week, and you are more likely to build friendships with someone that you have classes with... five times a week. Have fun finding a friend at the mall that you can meet five times a week. Or at a town fair. Or at church. It just doesn't work that way.

[.Starrk]

It shelters more children from becoming more social.

[Nɇvɇrmorɇ]

I was home schooled for my entire middle school life. And I must say that it really isn't as educating as actual school. When I finally had to go back to regular school, I was really far behind. And it doesn't help that I had, like, no friends when I went back.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Hey parents! Want the perfect opportunity to brainwash your kids without anyone being able to stop you? Then just try homeschooling!

[Inexplicable Madness]

Homeschool sounds like a nightmare who could have the tolerance to be taught by a parent or other? Plus ur the only student so it's not like you can draw during class or look out the window or else it's WAP! with a ruler and PAY ATTENTION!! .... doesn't sound like much fun

plus...

Homeschool =

no friends
no girls
no socializing
no food fights
no antagonizing teachers
no daydreaming
no fun

[Nɇvɇrmorɇ]

There is some fun to Homeschooling. If you did the same, I guess, "kind" of Homeschooling I did. You only had class for a good 30 minutes and then did what you wanted for the rest of the day.

[Vough]

I think that homeschooling should be on and off. I was homeschooled once for the 4th grade, then I came back to school 5th Grade and did exceptionally well.

It also keeps kids away from bad influences, stress and lack of sleep, and arguably allowes a greater social life.
When I homeschooled again for 9th grade, I only did school work for about 4 hours opposed to the 7 of 10th grade.

I wouldn't know much about other people, but 4th grade was the year I emotionally matured the most. I decided I wanted to be an ace student and not do any stupid things, like drugs and alcohol, regardless of peer pressure.

And I would argue that you became increasingly social if you were homeschooled. Due to lack of social activities, and increased time, there are more open slots to hang out with friends, etc.

Plus parents can monitor your progress which is very good.

[quote name='Inexplicable Madness' timestamp='1309481131' post='5323700']
Homeschool sounds like a nightmare who could have the tolerance to be taught by a parent or other? Plus ur the only student so it's not like you can draw during class or look out the window or else it's WAP! with a ruler and PAY ATTENTION!! .... doesn't sound like much fun

plus...

Homeschool =

no friends
no girls
no socializing
no food fights
no antagonizing teachers
no daydreaming
no fun
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what?

You're (usually) not taught by a parent but through a computer or pre-recorded DVD with a real teacher and class.
I don't understand what you're getting at about not drawing...and not getting beaten or whatever...

Homeschool
= no friends [b]Since when? You need sources[/b]
= no girls [b]Again, since when?[/b]
= no socializing [b]same as above[/b]
= no food fights [b]because food fights are obviously needed for a child to become mature and is essential in childhood[/b]
= no antagonizing teachers [b]Yeah, that's a bad thing[/b]
= no daydreaming [b]Um...of course you get to daydream. What are you talking about[/b]
= no fun [b]This is the statement that makes me think your entire post was just trollish[/b]

[Alice Moonflowyr]

Im homeschooled, and I have a ton of friends. Over 15 last I checked.

Also,
[quote name='Inexplicable Madness' timestamp='1309481131' post='5323700']
Homeschool sounds like a nightmare who could have the tolerance to be taught by a parent or other? Plus ur the only student so it's not like you can draw during class or look out the window or else it's WAP! with a ruler and PAY ATTENTION!! .... doesn't sound like much fun

plus...

Homeschool =

no friends
no girls
no socializing
no food fights
no antagonizing teachers
no daydreaming
no fun
[/quote]
YOU are completely wrong. Its very fun, I DO meet girls I DO have friends, I DO socialize, and I dont even NEED to daydream or have food fights. My mom teaches me, and there is no WAPing, no PAY ATTENTION, none of that.

[NumberCruncher]

As a person who has not only been to public school, but has also been homeschooled, I can say without a doubt that the latter results in a better education overall. There are three main reason for this: specialization, customization, and personalization.

By choosing to be homeschooled throughout my early life, I was able to pursue my passion for math to a greater level that a fixed curriculum would allow. By the time I was a freshman in high school, I'd already taken the AP Calculus BC test and score a 5 with a 5 AB subscore.

It also allowed me to slow down on subjects that gave me trouble, namely my oratory skills. Because I was allowed longer to build my speaking skills, I eventually overcame my speaking disabilities and was able to enter my high school's math team as an orator.

In addition, I was able to search into topics that interested me, but were not part of the "approved curriculum". I know more about Molecular Gastronomy and the science of cooking now than most people will learn in their entire life and have predicted major changes in the food and drug market months before they actually happen.

So this is my personal account of why homeschooling is a good method of education for me.

[Dark]

[i]You only had class for a good 30 minutes and then did what you wanted for the rest of the day.[/i]

Yes, and that provides a beautiful enviornment for a student to learn and intellectually grow as a person. I would love to only have to go to school or college for just thirty minutes a day, believe me. But that wouldn't be intellectually beneficial whatsoever. Without any kind of strictness in schedules, without being taught by an actual teacher, without socializing [i]in school[/i] with your peers, you are losing a lot of the high school experiences that actually do matter. You can socialize with friends outside of school, sure, but the group dyanamics you learn in school are far more important than superficial socialization.

[i]and not do any stupid things, like drugs and alcohol[/i]

Because kids decide in fourth grade that they are never ever going to do drugs and alcohol. And I'm sure if sex facts were shoved down their throat, they'd also decide to live a life without having sex. Face it, we're all inclined to believe that drugs and alcohol are bad things in third and fourth and fifth grade. But the fact of the matter is we're all eventually going to drink, a lot of use underage when we first start. You can decide not to be a chronic alcoholic, sure, but definitely not in fourth grade.

[i]And I would argue that you became increasingly social if you were homeschooled.[/i]

Minus your comment about homeschooling being on and off, only referring to all-time homeschooling, where would you get friends in the first place? You can have childhood friends if your parents place you in a daycare as a child, but those are friends that your parents forced on you. In a school, you have forced interaction with your entire grade for one hundred and eighty days a year, every year. It doesn't become awkward to make friends. When you first enter elementary school, nobody knows... anyone else. And friends are made [i]then[/i]. You might have more time to be social in the homeschooling method, but clearly not as many people to be social with.

[i]through a computer or pre-recorded DVD with a real teacher and class[/i]

Essentially the whole concept of homeschooling is self-studying. You don't have a real person to ask your questions to. [i]What is a limit, again, and how do you find one?[/i] You pretty much will only get answers from Google, which is saddening that you don't have an actual person ready to teach you and ready to answer your questions. Pre-recorded software takes all the liveliness out of school, in a literal as well as a figurative sense.

[i]specialization[/i]

Only applicable if you know a general sense of what career field you want to go in before entering high school. The majority of incoming freshman do not have the slightest idea of what their major is going to be, and at that point specialization actually gives them less options since it exposes them to less material. Also, what math did you do after 5'ing your Calc BC exam? Chances are for the rest of the three years of high school, you just dicked around and learned things on your own.

I pretty much knew my major entering high school, but that doesn't mean I wanted to 5 my BC exam in my freshman year and be done with it. I progressed like everyone else did, and I took my BC exam (the highest math course my school and most high schools offer) in my senior year. That personally seems more stimulating than doing near-nothing for three years of high school math.

[i]customization, and personalization[/i]

Not everyone goes into a double-AP English track in high school, especially if they aren't particular good at reading or writing. There are challenging yet less difficult courses people can take if they are stuggling in a subject. The point isn't to take as many tough courses as possible, the point is to take courses at or slightly above your level and emerge with a high GPA. So you [i]can[/i] customize your high school class choices.

Can't comment on the latter, I don't know how courses work in homeschooling so I don't know if your molecular gastronomy knowledge actually stems from a broad class regarding that topic or if it was self-studying.

[NumberCruncher]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1315320090' post='5496263'] [i]specialization[/i]

Only applicable if you know a general sense of what career field you want to go in before entering high school. The majority of incoming freshman do not have the slightest idea of what their major is going to be, and at that point specialization actually gives them less options since it exposes them to less material. Also, what math did you do after 5'ing your Calc BC exam? Chances are for the rest of the three years of high school, you just dicked around and learned things on your own. I pretty much knew my major entering high school, but that doesn't mean I wanted to 5 my BC exam in my freshman year and be done with it. I progressed like everyone else did, and I took my BC exam (the highest math course my school and most high schools offer) in my senior year. That personally seems more stimulating than doing near-nothing for three years of high school math.

[i]customization, and personalization[/i]

Not everyone goes into a double-AP English track in high school, especially if they aren't particular good at reading or writing. There are challenging yet less difficult courses people can take if they are stuggling in a subject. The point isn't to take as many tough courses as possible, the point is to take courses at or slightly above your level and emerge with a high GPA. So you [i]can[/i] customize your high school class choices. Can't comment on the latter, I don't know how courses work in homeschooling so I don't know if your molecular gastronomy knowledge actually stems from a broad class regarding that topic or if it was self-studying.[/quote]

The problem of freshman not knowing what interests them and what they may want to pursue is a direct consequence of the school system. It has you become jack of all traits, king of none. As for my pursuits after BC, I was able to take Linear Algebra with GA Tech Sophmore year, I took Number Theory Junior, and I took Real and Complex analysis with Stanford for Senior Year. The only trick to finding your way in life is through self-motivation, which can't be acheived when you don't rely on yourself for curricular direction.

As for the complication with my speaking, it wasn't that I was a little behind. I could literally not pronounce my own name correctly. It took years of treatment and Speech therapy, which could take multiple hours at a time. This would have been a much more difficult task if I had to schedule it around school, rather than scheduling school around it.

And Molecular Gastronomy is actually a very specific branch of Chemistry dealing with the culinary arts. It deals with the imitations of flavors and structures of various food stuffs. If your interested, look up Ferran Adria and his restaurant elBulli. Some of the stuff there will blow your mind.

[Tentacruel]

I was homeschooled. It sucked.

I personally believe that homeschooling is only effective and practical at the grade school level.

[_Black Rose_]

[center][center]i was Homeschooled,[/center][/center]
[center][center]my my mother did the lazy version of it, she did what they call "unschooling"[/center][/center]
[center][center]and let the kid figure out stuff on their own, and help a little,[/center][/center]
[center][center]my mom didn't help me at all, I didn't know basic math for the longest time.[/center][/center]
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[center][center]and I didn't have to take state exams O__O[/center][/center]
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