~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Just because a card doesn't happen to be splashable or function well in one of the 4 or fewer Decks that would happen to be having competitive success at any given time doesn't mean it's a bad card. Is Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Speaking of which, I've seen this card assist in the abuse of DDB a number of times in some good Hopeless builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Breaking News! Mod Necrobumps his own 1 year old topic. ZOMGHe did it for teh lulz Speaking of which' date=' I've seen this card assist in the abuse of DDR a number of times in some good Hopeless builds.[/quote']DDR is what your thinking of.(I think?) On-Topic: if you use this card in Wc09, it wont let you set.Summon =/= SetKonami's programming abilitys >>> actual logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Breaking News! Mod Necrobumps his own 1 year old topic. ZOMGHe did it for teh lulz Speaking of which' date=' I've seen this card assist in the abuse of DDR a number of times in some good Hopeless builds.[/quote']DDR is what your thinking of.(I think?) On-Topic: if you use this card in Wc09, it wont let you set.Summon =/= SetKonami's programming abilitys >>> actual logic. Send 1 card from the top of your Deck to the Graveyard. Add 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon or Set the turn you activate this effect.Summon=/=summon but set=set. XP Now we're even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 123 Dogma3 Dreadmaster3 Plasma3 Kuraz 253 Hidden Amory3 Divine Sword3 DDR3 Trade In3 D Draw2 Allure2 Magical Stone Excavation2 A Feather of the Phoenix3 Hand Destruction1 Card Destruction 33 Magical Explosion The deck owns :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 123 Dogma3 Dreadmaster3 Plasma3 Kuraz 253 Hidden Amory3 Divine Sword3 DDR3 Trade In3 D Draw2 Allure2 Magical Stone Excavation2 A Feather of the Phoenix3 Hand Destruction1 Card Destruction 33 Magical Explosion The deck owns :) This is close to my IRL....SO yeah!And Arms hole is good with some rogue equips too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Send 1 card from the top of your Deck to the Graveyard. Add 1 Equip Spell Card from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. You cannot Normal Summon or Set the turn you activate this effect.Summon=/=summon but set=set. XP Now we're even.The way it's worded in Wc09' date=' says "If you use this card, you cannot summon any monsters this turn". And Arms hole is good with some rogue equips too....Ben-Kei ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 lol the game phails. Shorten the text, enforce all the rules. XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben-Kei Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 So I looked at the previous posts and back in 2008 and It seems the people who were saying the card was bad were probably stuck on their own decks that didn't dwell well on using equips period. honestly I still to this day run a Ben-Kei deck(as my name stands) and if this card is released in english you can bet any real Ben-kei deck would run 3. Dang I miss the day when I could premature ben-kei and just put on 2 equips and get up around 2500atk 3xs 3000 if both mage powers. Anyways the value of this card seems to be good in the eye of the beholder but with that said people should realize the cards worth if the duelist on the other side of the table is tearing them apart with it. Ben-Kei is here to tell you I will rape you if this card ever releases in english. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I hate to break it to you, but Ben Kei OTK isn't terribly good even with this card. Remember, this has been in the OCG for two years now, and Ben Kei hasn't exactly made any shows of force there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben-Kei Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I hate to break it to you' date=' but Ben Kei OTK isn't terribly good even with this card. Remember, this has been in the OCG for two years now, and Ben Kei hasn't exactly made any shows of force there.[/quote'] Woah didn't expect someone to reply so fast. Hmm you speak as if you use a ben-kei deck I actually played with it against a friend of mine who runs many up to date decks and can win 50/50, but Ben-kei decks have lost alot of power since the lost of premature and reinforcements you can expect anyone who uses a ben kei to be more of a challenge with Arms Hole since Ben-kei Deck will purposely take a hit to bide there power. I've seen many a OTK decks but by far in my opinion Ben-Kei is definitely in the top 3 as and OTK deck even with the loss of some cards This is my deck btw:Monster 16, Magic 16 trap 83-Benkei, 2-mataza zap, 2-twin sword maurader, 2-blacksmiths, 3-gearfried, 2-exiled 1-Rose warrior, 1-magical merchant, 1-Reinforcment of army, 3-Mage power, 1-United we stand, 3-Axe of despair, 2-mursame blade(get replaced by arms hole if released) 1-heavy, 1-MST, 1-nobleman extermination, 1-giant trunade, 1-enemy controller, 1-Swords of revealing light 3-blast with chain, 1-Call of haunted(swaped for Premature kind of usless), 1-magiccylinder, 1-Royal Decree, 1-bottomless, 1-seventools(its gotten me the win tons of times Im keep it) The only deck or CARD rather that shuts ben kei down almost completly is my brothers Spellcaster deck that uses Secret villiage of spellcasters when thats active all i can do is Gearfried with blast combo other than that its pretty much me attacking you with 3000-80002x or more Clear back field and Equip,equip and win. As far as why Ben-Kei has not shown much of force its mainly because duelist have a bad habit of going to the new cards that yugioh creates their not gonna stay on old card not to many people running around with old decks even if they are good simple reason its get boring. I use ben-kei because I'm cheap and its one of the cheapest decks to put together.:P If I could duel you I would love to show you Ben-kei is not to be underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 2-mursame blade(get replaced by arms hole if released) I've had arms hole over a week now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I hate to break it to you' date=' but Ben Kei OTK isn't terribly good even with this card. Remember, this has been in the OCG for two years now, and Ben Kei hasn't exactly made any shows of force there.[/quote'] Woah didn't expect someone to reply so fast. Hmm you speak as if you use a ben-kei deck I actually played with it against a friend of mine who runs many up to date decks and can win 50/50, but Ben-kei decks have lost alot of power since the lost of premature and reinforcements you can expect anyone who uses a ben kei to be more of a challenge with Arms Hole since Ben-kei Deck will purposely take a hit to bide there power. I've seen many a OTK decks but by far in my opinion Ben-Kei is definitely in the top 3 as and OTK deck even with the loss of some cards This is my deck btw:Monster 16, Magic 16 trap 83-Benkei, 2-mataza zap, 2-twin sword maurader, 2-blacksmiths, 3-gearfried, 2-exiled 1-Rose warrior, 1-magical merchant, 1-Reinforcment of army, 3-Mage power, 1-United we stand, 3-Axe of despair, 2-mursame blade(get replaced by arms hole if released) 1-heavy, 1-MST, 1-nobleman extermination, 1-giant trunade, 1-enemy controller, 1-Swords of revealing light 3-blast with chain, 1-Call of haunted(swaped for Premature kind of usless), 1-magiccylinder, 1-Royal Decree, 1-bottomless, 1-seventools(its gotten me the win tons of times Im keep it) The only deck or CARD rather that shuts ben kei down almost completly is my brothers Spellcaster deck that uses Secret villiage of spellcasters when thats active all i can do is Gearfried with blast combo other than that its pretty much me attacking you with 3000-80002x or more Clear back field and Equip,equip and win. As far as why Ben-Kei has not shown much of force its mainly because duelist have a bad habit of going to the new cards that yugioh creates their not gonna stay on old card not to many people running around with old decks even if they are good simple reason its get boring. I use ben-kei because I'm cheap and its one of the cheapest decks to put together.:P If I could duel you I would love to show you Ben-kei is not to be underestimated. You're playing at a casual level. Of course decks like Ben Kei work well enough. Take it to a Regionals and get back to us. Heck, take it to a high-level locals and see how far you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Just realised autonomous action unit is an equip card... I'll be putting that in powertool deck :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben-Kei Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 2-mursame blade(get replaced by arms hole if released) I've had arms hole over a week now... Your absoloutely right just checked ebay and they have it..... Wow im ordering my copies now but its not call arms hole its called hidden armory and also why the hell does wikia still have a japanese pic of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Cause it's only just been released officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmNateXero Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't think ben will ever return to what it used to be. I had a ben otk deck too, back when Magician of faith was legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 So I looked at the previous posts and back in 2008 and It seems the people who were saying the card was bad were probably stuck on their own decks that didn't dwell well on using equips period. honestly I still to this day run a Ben-Kei deck(as my name stands) and if this card is released in english you can bet any real Ben-kei deck would run 3. Dang I miss the day when I could premature ben-kei and just put on 2 equips and get up around 2500atk 3xs 3000 if both mage powers. Anyways the value of this card seems to be good in the eye of the beholder but with that said people should realize the cards worth if the duelist on the other side of the table is tearing them apart with it. Ben-Kei is here to tell you I will rape you if this card ever releases in english. ;-) Ben Kei is the only Deck that Arms Hole belongs in. That Supervis garbage that never will get anywhere is degrading one of the coolest Normal Spells in the game. I've been running Ben Kei as my main deck ever since Mage Power went to 3. I've been waiting for this card... god I don't even remember how long. It wrecks. Period. I hate to break it to you' date=' but Ben Kei OTK isn't terribly good even with this card. Remember, this has been in the OCG for two years now, and Ben Kei hasn't exactly made any shows of force there.[/quote'] The OCG isn't running an unstable OTK that requires only 4 cards to win? That's shocking. Then again, Synchro Cat only required 3. I guess Ben Kei does suck, then. Oh wait, dedicating some time to a deck to prove its potential actually works. Arms Hole is every bit as good as it was hyped to be for this Deck. Woah didn't expect someone to reply so fast. Hmm you speak as if you use a ben-kei deck I actually played with it against a friend of mine who runs many up to date decks and can win 50/50' date=' but Ben-kei decks have lost alot of power since the lost of premature and reinforcements you can expect anyone who uses a ben kei to be more of a challenge with Arms Hole since Ben-kei Deck will purposely take a hit to bide there power. I've seen many a OTK decks but by far in my opinion Ben-Kei is definitely in the top 3 as and OTK deck even with the loss of some cards[/quote'] Losing Premature hurt a little, and there was no need to play RotA. This is my deck btw:[a bunch of garbage here] The only deck or CARD rather that shuts ben kei down almost completly is my brothers Spellcaster deck that uses Secret villiage of spellcasters when thats active all i can do is Gearfried with blast combo other than that its pretty much me attacking you with 3000-80002x or more Clear back field and Equip,equip and win. As far as why Ben-Kei has not shown much of force its mainly because duelist have a bad habit of going to the new cards that yugioh creates their not gonna stay on old card not to many people running around with old decks even if they are good simple reason its get boring. I use ben-kei because I'm cheap and its one of the cheapest decks to put together.:P If I could duel you I would love to show you Ben-kei is not to be underestimated. Ben Kei is cheap to build, and is one of the only OTKs that has never once been affected by a banlist change. It thrives, it remains hidden, but it will appear. You're playing at a casual level. Of course decks like Ben Kei work well enough. Take it to a Regionals and get back to us. Heck' date=' take it to a high-level locals and see how far you get.[/quote'] Playtested today against a Lightsworn Deck that took top 8 at a regional 2 weeks ago. Went 7-3. Let's talk about it. Playtested against a standard GB deck since there is no room for variance anyways. Went 5-5. Horrible matchup, and considering I wasn't siding it didn't go well for me. I'm taking it to my Regionals this Sunday. My Ben Kei build always seems much weirder than most people's, but I seem to pull into consistency fair enough. Disclaimer for Ben Kei scrubs: You will not win on turn 2 with Ben Kei, stop trying to make your deck "fast enough" to draw into the OTK. So yeah, Arms Hole. Amazing. Ben Kei is the only place it belongs in. Everyone else is just being a loser. :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 I was thinking about using it in my Flint Lock WTMTK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Ben Kei is the only Deck that Arms Hole belongs in. That Supervis garbage that never will get anywhere is degrading one of the coolest Normal Spells in the game. Huh? So you are saying you shouldn't run it in anything except Ben Kei OTK and that Supervise is garbage... huh' date=' I'm fairly certain Geminis and Giga Plant OTK will disagree with you on that along with [i']any[/i] other deck that runs a bunch of Equips such as PTD Morphs. lrn2yugimanz I'm not saying that Ben Kei OTK sucks, I've always wanted to see a good build for it, but your ignorance astounds me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 So yeah' date=' Arms Hole. Amazing. Ben Kei is the only place it belongs in. Everyone else is just being a loser. :'] CoughKurazFTKdoesn'tExistCough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyson Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 The ":]" face didn't do much for you people, did it? I'm not blatantly ignorant, Hidden Armory came with 3/4 of Supervise Gigaplant already funking made. The deck is stupid with speed and if it pulls off its combos it overwhelms. I was making a point that when Arms Hole first came out in OCG, it was only seen as a means to start the Premature Burial + Giant Trunade combo. The moment it came out, I was drawn to Ben Kei. People getting butthurt because I see Arms Hole only being good in a completely rogue deck = lolz. I'll go take my Deck to regionals and see what happens. If I run into anyone who has the balls to run PTD Morphtronics (lol) or the obvious Supervise deck (which I'm sure will be abundant) then I'll assess how "good" it is. <_< 'Til then, Ben Kei 4 life. 8D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Armed_Zombie Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 PTD Morphs own, which reminds me, I need to revamp the one I have made... Btw, I didn't even read the last sentence when I responded 8D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaos Pudding Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Bump because I feel like it and I'm a mod and you can't say nothing about it. Also, this is exactly how bad YCM was and might become very soon, so take notes and try not to fall for the same stuff as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 really, you overrate a BAD card... why? because you can have 4 premature burials, but you must pay 800LP for each one, also it's mandatory to use it because you can't normal summon (wasting a cyber dragon to not use the premature) and the cost is to drop the top card of the deck... what if the card that you send to activate it is... another arms hole?? you lose one extra premature, and if it were a GOOD card like mirror force, dark bribe or the premature itself?? did you see the ruling if you can recover the card discarded to activate the cost? (if this card targets, you WON'T) This was the point where I raged.bks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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