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Should it stay banned?

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To be really honest, my deck suffers more from DDV.
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The card is broken and should not be unbanned.

That said, I sometimes find myself wishing it was back, if only because I like the idea of Virus Control decks.

Deck Devastation Virus is alarmingly powerful in this golden age of Tuner monsters, since a LOT of commonly used cards (especially Tuners) are 1500 or less.

Crush Card has the power, for the mere cost of a weak monster, to not only see every card they'll get for several turns, but also destroy any powerful monsters they get. Less powerful due to Synchros and Stardust, but broken. Only a few decks are completely immune, and after using it, a beatstick ruins most chances of comebacks in battle.

What really breaks Crush Card over Deck Devastation is Crush Card is super easy to activate and has almost no real downside to you. DARKs with 1000 or less ATK is a cinch to get, with tokens, Giant Germ, Sangan, whatever. DDV needs a DARK with over 2000 and while not especially difficult, it's more risky to you.
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It really wouldn't impact the meta at this point. I don't think there are that many decks that want a high powered monster in their hand, since in most situations it's better to have the stronger monsters in the graveyard. It can screw up a few decks...but almost every deck it hurts is a low tier. It's not the gem it was when first released. I mean, if you play that one yugioh game on the 360 (oh no this argument already became invalid) you'll realize that it doesn't have much purpose other than seeing your opponent's hand and every card they draw for 3 turns.

Oh, cards it doesn't affect that are big in the meta, or were big in the meta -

Frogs
Debris
Plaguespreader (Zombies probably want this active)
Dandiwarrior

and so many more.

Deck Devestation Virus hurts much more then this card, it's just not played because it's kinda hard to meet the requirements (and want to give up a monster that meets the requirements).
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Even though its power is lessened, it's still absurdly powerful. People just have their investments in Synchros and Exceeds now, which this card doesn't touch unless they're on the field.
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That being said, I'd rather run mirror force then this, and mirror force is @1. I mean, at least with mirror force you know you can wipe out most of their field, synchros and all. Sure, this does the same, but you lose a monster in the process and it requires a bit of deck dedication. I think this would be a dead draw much more then mirror force as well. Honestly I'm not seeing why this is at 0 and the above arguments "It can kill something" don't sway me. There's plenty of creature removal. I mean, Dark Hole and Mirror Force are probably more ban worthy then this card, right? And don't say that Mirror Force is easy to counter thing...Solemn counters Crush too.
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Probably the thing with CCV is the aspect of hand control. Royal Tribute was Semi'd because a well-placed Royal Tribute wins games. CCV is the same way, except it has the chance of impacting your opponent for three turns, and is easier to activate in most decks. Sure, the meta doesn't run as many big monsters as it did before, but your opponent also knows your draws for the next few turns, and possibly could ruin the gamebreaking Caius or Sorc you just drew.

Not to mention tributing Sangan or something will give you an extra +1. DDV doesn't have many targets that give you extra advantage.
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Probably the thing with CCV is the aspect of hand control. Royal Tribute was Semi'd because a well-placed Royal Tribute wins games. CCV is the same way, except it has the chance of impacting your opponent for three turns, and is easier to activate in most decks. Sure, the meta doesn't run as many big monsters as it did before, but your opponent also knows your draws for the next few turns, and possibly could ruin the gamebreaking Caius or Sorc you just drew.

Not to mention tributing Sangan or something will give you an extra +1. DDV doesn't have many targets that give you extra advantage.
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Even then I'd rather run a Royal Tribute then a Crush Card Virus. I really think Konami needs to put this at one for just one format and see if anything huge happens. I think in my entire deck I might have...one...monster with more then 1500 attack, and that monster I'm planning on getting rid of when I get a second Dopple Warrior. I think if limited, this would be a side deck card against monarchs and that'd be about it.
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It's not just hand control. You also see every card they have in their hand and will draw for 3 turns, killing monsters with 1500 or more along the way. It's one of those moves that are so crippling to some people and they didn't do anything wrong. They didn't misplay or commit too much to the field, but their opponent managed to completely ruin their field, hand, and comeback options.

The cost is too little for so much.

The other Viruses have as much power, but require a much heavier cost, many of which require more resources or dedication to prepare in the first place. Crush Card is nothing like that. Its effects are too crippling.

But maybe I'll make a deck or two to use Crush Card, just to see how damaging it really is in this day and age.
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[quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1303783655' post='5168722']
It's not just hand control. You also see every card they have in their hand and will draw for 3 turns, killing monsters with 1500 or more along the way. It's one of those moves that are so crippling to some people and they didn't do anything wrong. They didn't misplay or commit too much to the field, but their opponent managed to completely ruin their field, hand, and comeback options.

The cost is too little for so much.

The other Viruses have as much power, but require a much heavier cost, many of which require more resources or dedication to prepare in the first place. Crush Card is nothing like that. Its effects are too crippling.

But maybe I'll make a deck or two to use Crush Card, just to see how damaging it really is in this day and age.
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I think you'd be surprised. I made a deck with it and it seemed to be a dead draw, even when I met the requirements on the field. It did well against monarchs, but that was really it.
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As long as CCV is B&, Konami has an excuse to keep printing level 1 monsters with 2500 ATK.
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That didn't make any sense. The Machine Emperors Skiel and Wisel are the sole exception to level 1 monsters' attack range, and I can't imagine what you mean by Crush being banned gives them an excuse to do that. Wouldn't Crush being UNbanned and thus available to counter the trend make more sense?
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