Brushfire Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Physics discussion. Metaphorically speaking, is it scientifically possible for a human body to walk through a wall. More importantly, does that wall actually exist or is it only there because the human eye perceives it to be? There is also a theory that for every action we do, an alternate universe is created where we did not take that action, but another one. I am currently creating a lot of alternate universes according this theory. Discuss this too. Also discuss the fact that light acts completely differently when we observe it as to when we do not. This is very interesting as it could mean that the world we live it is not as we think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'll address the question posted in the title. I don't know much about quantum physics, really nothing, so I can't really make a super-educated answer nor can I prove any of this true. And I'm too lazy to Wikipedia or Google stuff on a Friday night when I [s]should be playing Sapphire[/s] should be going to the mall. I remember my physics teacher saying that if you put your hand against a wall for an infinite amount of time, slowly but gradually the atoms of the wall will replace with the atoms in your hand, and your hand will eventually go through the wall since the atoms have been "replaced" with your hand. Kind of similar to the old myth that if you poke your arm for an infinite amount of time, it'll eventually bruise, since the built up "tapping" of your arm will cause injury. However, this is all theoretical at best, and because an infinite amount of time doesn't "really" exist, we can't walk through walls in a human lifespan, or ten human lifespans, or ten billion human lifespans. Feel free to rip my post apart, since I honestly have no clue what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1304128739' post='5177706'] I'll address the question posted in the title. I don't know much about quantum physics, really nothing, so I can't really make a super-educated answer nor can I prove any of this true. And I'm too lazy to Wikipedia or Google stuff on a Friday night when I [s]should be playing Sapphire[/s] should be going to the mall. I remember my physics teacher saying that if you put your hand against a wall for an infinite amount of time, slowly but gradually the atoms of the wall will replace with the atoms in your hand, and your hand will eventually go through the wall since the atoms have been "replaced" with your hand. Kind of similar to the old myth that if you poke your arm for an infinite amount of time, it'll eventually bruise, since the built up "tapping" of your arm will cause injury. However, this is all theoretical at best, and because an infinite amount of time doesn't "really" exist, we can't walk through walls in a human lifespan, or ten human lifespans, or ten billion human lifespans. Feel free to rip my post apart, since I honestly have no clue what I'm talking about. [/quote] Your post, it's actually all correct. Your physics teacher also said almost exactly what mine said, so that's interesting. Good for theoretical discussion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1304128739' post='5177706'] I'll address the question posted in the title. I don't know much about quantum physics, really nothing, so I can't really make a super-educated answer nor can I prove any of this true. And I'm too lazy to Wikipedia or Google stuff on a Friday night when I [s]should be playing Sapphire[/s] should be going to the mall. I remember my physics teacher saying that if you put your hand against a wall for an infinite amount of time, slowly but gradually the atoms of the wall will replace with the atoms in your hand, and your hand will eventually go through the wall since the atoms have been "replaced" with your hand. Kind of similar to the old myth that if you poke your arm for an infinite amount of time, it'll eventually bruise, since the built up "tapping" of your arm will cause injury. However, this is all theoretical at best, and because an infinite amount of time doesn't "really" exist, we can't walk through walls in a human lifespan, or ten human lifespans, or ten billion human lifespans. Feel free to rip my post apart, since I honestly have no clue what I'm talking about. [/quote] An interesting theory. You can in fact notice wear on the walls. They can be from being touched and the transfer of atoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I actually don't like the alternate universe theory because there is no real way to prove it, and it just doesn't seem to be an appealing theory, but I haven't really counted it as false in my mind. It seems interesting that every decision results in a split of universes, but for some reason I don't think that's really probable. It just seems like a really easy way (that and just the basic parallel universe theory) to get past the "time travel" notion for those who believe it's possible, but I guess my opinion is biased since I was presented the alternate/parallel universe theory during a lecture about the possibility of time travel. In response to your last comment, I don't know if this is relevant, but the Double Slit Experiment, at least from what I've watched on YouTube from Dr. Quantum, kind of emphasizes the fact that observation could potentially change the results of something, kind of supporting the alternate universe theory. Schrodinger's Cat (did I butcher the spelling?) kind of illustrates how observations greatly affect the outcome of an experiment, and while I don't really know much about light (I mostly studied light and photons in chem two years ago), I'm assuming the three topics are somewhat linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [img]http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9769/physics1h.jpg[/img] Where A = a wall B = a person Assuming no other forces are present(gravity acts downwards but is canceled by the normal force for both A and F(a on = -F (b on a). There will be no more movement until one force becomes greater than the other. Now, technically atoms have empty space, and you can move through empty space, however, the possibility of the exact alignment for the exact amount of time required to move a complete human body through a standard wall is so small, we can approximate it to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake the Sage Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Okay I think I am going to get into this, for however long my attention span lasts ^^ [quote] Physics discussion. Metaphorically speaking, is it scientifically possible for a human body to walk through a wall. More importantly, does that wall actually exist or is it only there because the human eye perceives it to be? There is also a theory that for every action we do, an alternate universe is created where we did not take that action, but another one. I am currently creating a lot of alternate universes according this theory. Discuss this too. Also discuss the fact that light acts completely differently when we observe it as to when we do not. This is very interesting as it could mean that the world we live it is not as we think it is. [/quote] *puts on monocle, puts a top hat on and grabs a cigar* Well my dear boy you MUST remembah, everything is made up of atoms, this is a universal truth. As such everything is therefore made up of billions upon trillions of these atoms to create the intended item like the wall you presented. Now on a molecular level these atoms have a gap in between them, as direct contact would cause these tiny little atoms to either explode or merge into another type of atom. However since the wall is a solid object, as any drunkard could contest, it's atoms are arranged in a structured mannor very much like any building. You have each atom lined up perfectly with each of it's fellow atoms and all evenly spaced so that it forms the shape of the wall. Because we as human beings and unable to see this atomic gap percieve the wall as sold. The same thing is true with the human body. We are nothing more than trillions of atoms combined into one singular being, but there is gapes between our atoms as well. Theoretically if you were to vibrate *perverted laugh* A~hem *fixes monocole* Sorry about that chaps . . . As I was saying theoretically if you were to vibrate the atoms of an object, lets say a human, fast enough it would begin to loose it's 'solid' nature and act more upon the atrubutes of a liquid or gas- as their atoms have more "motion". If you could stabalize the individual as his or her atoms vibrate at the right frequincy then they would be able to "slip past" the rigid arranged atoms of the wall. So theoretically we can pass through walls, however the dangers of vibrating a human's atoms to reach this goal might end up killing our test subjects. And, yes, the wall actually does exist because the atoms are there. Ah the quantum physics theory of the multiverse, yes, a personal favorite of mine; I quite often use it in my writtings. You are correct in stating that the theory states that for every action or decision you make, another universe is created in which you did NOT make that decision and/or action. I quite believe in this theory and that for every action there is another universe created to coincide with our person's NOT making the decision. Also many people believe that imagination is nothing more than the human subconcious connecting to the greater "cosmic conciousness' in which we are all a part of- some people may refer to this as God, but I digress. Thinking along these lines the stories we create, read, and watch all the time are actually a universe all on their own. It fancies me so to think that somewhere out there a universe for every anime, cartoon, movie and book exists- yet we are unable to reach with our current technology. We COULD reach that by any number of means, but at the present can't even get past our own moon so the likelyhood of this occuring within everyone else's mortal lifespan is slim to none. Light is a fickle thing. For instance how we percieve it. It takes roughly a millisecond or what have you, the numbers escape me at the moment, for your eyes to properly register the light pattern as it reflects off objects and into your eyes you are literally seeing it in "delayed time". This is an infidismale time in which the object exsists BEFORE we see it that it in fact does not even matter. However in the same reasoning the light from a our Sun takes eight minutes to each us. So if it was to go out we would not know until eight minutes AFTER it has already gone out. Moving on the human eye also sees things like a mirror. So if you turn upside down . . . oh go ahead I'll wait . . . . . . . . . LOL! Everyone who did it should feel silly right about now ^^ Enough with the jokes, I apologize to those who did get on their heads though. Because our eyes see everything as a mirror, if you actually look INTO a mirror you will see the reflection and see the world as it most likely actually exists. *stops talking in a british accent* Okay so I said my piece ^^ [size="1"]and people say I ain't smart X3[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 No, it is not possible. It may be possible in math-land, but that has little practical use in real life, where you can't set x to any value you wish. That was a serious post by the way. An infinite amount of time does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 There's also quantum tunneling, but I don't know/care enough. As long the probabilities are not zero, everything is possible (an infinite amount of time would help though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I remember something about a solid object vibrating at a specific frequency would be able to push atoms out of its way and pass through them. I also have a good feeling I read that in some manga. Does anyone else know more about this theory than I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 It's possible if you blow a hole in the wall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1304132638' post='5177841'] I remember something about a solid object vibrating at a specific frequency would be able to push atoms out of its way and pass through them. I also have a good feeling I read that in some manga. Does anyone else know more about this theory than I do? [/quote] If you read it in a manga it could quite possibly be true. I have heard of this theory, but I don't know much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 Depends on what the wall is made of. o: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [quote name='Clair' timestamp='1304200470' post='5179959'] Depends on what the wall is made of. o: [/quote] Pressure-Packed, 25x25x25ft Titanium Walls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikatsui Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 [font="Lucida Console"]THE APERTURE SCIENCE CENTER RESERVES THE FACT THAT IT IS IN FACT POSSIBLE TO GO THROUGH SOLID OBJECTS BY THINKING IN PORTALS[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Emotion Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I can walk through walls..............in my dreams. Does that count? It involves my brain...and my mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xazeon Posted April 30, 2011 Report Share Posted April 30, 2011 I can walk through walls. Do you want to know how? I use this invention called a "door". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 the alternate urniverse theory.... it reminds me a simpsons treehouse of horror episode where homer makes a time machine ACCIDENTALLY and goes to the dinosaurs time. every time he messes something up he goes forward to an alternate universe with consequences each time. so epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Depends on the wall, or whatever's being considered a "wall". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 I can't believe no one mentioned IDCLIP. Also, Kool-Aid Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalCyae Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 Let's see how much fail I can generate via this topic. From what I, and most, understand, everything is made up of atoms. EVERYTHING. Atoms are spaced out at regular intervals in different objects. The closer together the atoms, the more solid the object is. In the case of the wall, it all depends on what wall it is. But most are made of bricks. And the atoms in bricks are spaced, probably, a millionth of a millimetre apart. That's much less than a full stop. at size 1. At atoms in a humanoid figure such as humans, however, and slightly less closely spaced. as such, we feel less solid than a wall. With out fingers, we can temporarily dent our skin. This is because we force some of the atoms away, and out skin rushes in to fill the space the prior atoms filled. Think wind and how warm air rises, and cold air fills its place. As such, in theory, it could be possible to walk through a wall. But as stated, it would take an infinite length of time. However, if it was possible to alter the space between the atoms that create a wall, and make the spaces MUCH bigger, it would be plenty easier. Be altering the spaces between the atoms, the wall would become less solid, changing to a form of solid that would be similar to Jelly. Which makes it the simple task of walking through. Enough fail for ya? Good, cuz I just used it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted May 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 [quote name='~ P O L A R I S ~' timestamp='1304218594' post='5180798'] Depends on the wall, or whatever's being considered a "wall". [/quote] This is why you are brilliant. Also I wonder, am I supposed to reply to everyone else that has commented? 'cause most of them are either dead-on or entitled to an opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Î’yakuya Posted May 1, 2011 Report Share Posted May 1, 2011 It depends on the definition of the wall, or what is composed of it. Or what human or being can "walk" through the wall. So it actually varies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 You can walk through a wall with the power of Noetical Science... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='Xazeon' timestamp='1304205315' post='5180160'] I can walk through walls. Do you want to know how? I use this invention called a "door". [/quote] This. Shame there is no action replay for real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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