Rusty Shovel Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [Disc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Hasn't I started this topic already? But whatever. You can say I'm a communist. But my friends say they're freaking anarchist. >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarbleZone Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [quote name='Byakuya Kuchiki' timestamp='1305751546' post='5217369'] Hasn't I started this topic already? [/quote] Well, in theory, that thread of yours isn't really [i]yours[/i], it belongs to the community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Communism is interesting, I can't say that I am one or I am for it, but history makes it look completely BS. In which, it could change the ways many people think if it was partly in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 It's a party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Anything too far on the spectrum of regulated or unregulated market is going to flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1305757086' post='5217675'] It's a party! [/quote] icwatudidthar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Metal Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Better red then dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Byakuya Kuchiki' timestamp='1305751546' post='5217369'] Hasn't I started this topic already? But whatever. You can say I'm a communist. But my friends say they're freaking anarchist. >_> [/quote] Sorry if you have, didn't mean to steal anything xD. I would say the same about me, just.. normal communism, or a more specific view point? Personally, I agree with many of Marx's works and words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Just like Anarchy, it's a Utopian fantasy that'll never be able to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1305767953' post='5218021'] Just like Anarchy, it's a Utopian fantasy that'll never be able to happen. [/quote] I don't see how anarchy is a utopian fantasy, but if you'd explain I'd be interested to hear why you think so. Communism would actually work. The main flaw behind it is corruption. If you were to get a leader that would not be corrupted, it'd work no worse then capitalism does currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Rusty Shovel' timestamp='1305769224' post='5218058'] I don't see how anarchy is a utopian fantasy, but if you'd explain I'd be interested to hear why you think so. Communism would actually work. The main flaw behind it is corruption. If you were to get a leader that would not be corrupted, it'd work no worse then capitalism does currently. [/quote] It's a Utopian fantasy because it COULD work very well, but the conditions for it to work would be so unrealistic in today's day and age that it's not realistic. And true Communism would lack a government to be actual Communism by definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1305769592' post='5218067'] It's a Utopian fantasy because it COULD work very well, but the conditions for it to work would be so unrealistic in today's day and age that it's not realistic. And true Communism would lack a government to be actual Communism by definition. [/quote] However, at your first statement, that's all a matter of perspective. Personally, the complete lack of government would be dystopian as opposed to utopian in my opinion. Well, actually, not so much a government as a leader. One example that would again be unrealistic though would work to some extent would be a program as a leader. Mere lines of code to design the society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Rusty Shovel' timestamp='1305769755' post='5218069'] However, at your first statement, that's all a matter of perspective. Personally, the complete lack of government would be dystopian as opposed to utopian in my opinion. Well, actually, not so much a government as a leader. One example that would again be unrealistic though would work to some extent would be a program as a leader. Mere lines of code to design the society. [/quote] It could be Utopian under the right circumstances. Incredibly difficult circumstances, mind you. And a leader would have to have the same amount of power as everyone else in the society for it to be Communism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1305769940' post='5218075'] It could be Utopian under the right circumstances. Incredibly difficult circumstances, mind you. And a leader would have to have the same amount of power as everyone else in the society for it to be Communism. [/quote] I'll give you that one, and I actually kind of like it too. Ha. Not if the leader was an external program. However, now we're getting into robotic governing leaders . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 In the words of my teacher, "As long as I want something that you have, Communism will never work." Unfortunately, people would have to be far to selfless and honest than they are. Look, the American government is quite corrupt, no? What would stop them from being corrupt when they have [b]more[/b] power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1305816543' post='5218783'] In the words of my teacher, "As long as I want something that you have, Communism will never work." Unfortunately, people would have to be far to selfless and honest than they are. Look, the American government is quite corrupt, no? What would stop them from being corrupt when they have [b]more[/b] power? [/quote] No they wouldn't. The leaders would, hence the program idea. It is a dictatorship, so the people don't really have a choice. Pay more attention grasshopper . At your second thing... that's exactly what we've been talking about. -facepalm- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 What about a Constitutional Communism? Would that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 [quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1305839567' post='5219227'] What about a Constitutional Communism? Would that work? [/quote] I would see that as a chance of interesting series of trial and error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 [quote name='Daemon' timestamp='1305848900' post='5219601'] I would see that as a chance of interesting series of trial and error. [/quote] That'd be odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 [quote name='Rusty Shovel' timestamp='1305850573' post='5219647'] That'd be odd. [/quote] It would be, but does it not interest you to see out history of spreading democracy around the world have some change and to see if it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 It's an idealistic system that can only work once everything is set to be completely neutral and equal (down to birth defects, lifespans, et cetera), and when the corruption in the government is set to zero. Neither of these things will never happen, so communism will never be effective. It's unfortunate that China thinks it's a good policy. No, to be fair, it's a great policy... for government officials. I'd love to talk to the other... 99% of the country. Communists deserve to be [i]stoned[/i]... or are those Russians? DID ANYBODY SAWS WHAT I HAS DID RIGHT THERE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1305858504' post='5219909'] It's an idealistic system that can only work once everything is set to be completely neutral and equal (down to birth defects, lifespans, et cetera), and when the corruption in the government is set to zero. Neither of these things will never happen, so communism will never be effective. It's unfortunate that China thinks it's a good policy. No, to be fair, it's a great policy... for government officials. I'd love to talk to the other... 99% of the country. Communists deserve to be [i]stoned[/i]... or are those Russians? DID ANYBODY SAWS WHAT I HAS DID RIGHT THERE? [/quote] China hasn't been Communist in over 20 years. A leftover ban on religion and high levels of censorship are all that remain from Maoism. China has a free market, so it is not Communist. Period. I agree that Communism can't work while corruption exists, but corruption isn't [i]impossible[/i] to stamp out. I fail to see the relevancy of lifespans and such. Do elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shovel Posted May 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1305858504' post='5219909'] It's an idealistic system that can only work once everything is set to be completely neutral and equal (down to birth defects, lifespans, et cetera), and when the corruption in the government is set to zero. Neither of these things will never happen, so communism will never be effective. It's unfortunate that China thinks it's a good policy. No, to be fair, it's a great policy... for government officials. I'd love to talk to the other... 99% of the country. Communists deserve to be [i]stoned[/i]... or are those Russians? DID ANYBODY SAWS WHAT I HAS DID RIGHT THERE? [/quote] I'm failing to see the connection with birth defects and life spans...? Corruption, though hard, is not impossible to stamp out. China claims to be communist, but if you look at all the stuff they're doing it's not. [quote name='Frunk' timestamp='1305868915' post='5220130'] China hasn't been Communist in over 20 years. A leftover ban on religion and high levels of censorship are all that remain from Maoism. China has a free market, so it is not Communist. Period. I agree that Communism can't work while corruption exists, but corruption isn't [i]impossible[/i] to stamp out. I fail to see the relevancy of lifespans and such. Do elaborate. [/quote] ^^^ Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 How is it fair if one person lives to be 80 years old and another only 40? How is it fair that my son was born with ADD and his son wasn't? I'm not saying that when China was communist they want that far, but in an ideal communist society, this would be regulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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