evilhorus Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [center][img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080204040221/yugioh/images/thumb/4/48/EvilHeroMaliciousFiendDP06-EN-UR.png/300px-EvilHeroMaliciousFiendDP06-EN-UR.png[/img] [/center][center] [/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][b][u][size="4"]"[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Evil_Hero_Malicious_Edge"]1[/url] HERO monster"[/size][/u][/b][size="3"] + 1 [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Level"]Level[/url][size="3"] 6 or higher [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type#Fiend"]Fiend[/url][size="3"]-[/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Type"]Type[/url][size="3"] [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Cards"]monster[/url] [size="3"]This card cannot be [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Summon"]Special Summoned[/url][size="3"] except with "[/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Fusion"]Dark Fusion[/url][size="3"]". During your opponent's [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Phase#Battle_Phase"]Battle Phase[/url][size="3"], all monsters they [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]control[/url][size="3"] are changed to [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Face-up"]face-up[/url][size="3"] [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Position#Attack_Position"]Attack Position[/url][size="3"] and each [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Monster_Cards"]monster[/url][size="3"] they [/size][url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Control"]control[/url][size="3"] must attack this card.[/size][/font][/color][/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size="3"] [/size][/font][/color][/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size="3"] [/size][/font][/color][/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size="3"]Discuss THAT effect ^^[/size][/font][/color][/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size="3"] [/size][/font][/color][/center][center][color=#3A3A3A][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][size="3"]Would you run it in HERO's?[/size][/font][/color][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Huh? Malicious Fiend requires Malicious Edge which makes for great Prisma dumps in Evil Heroes. Is this a change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='HaouJudai' timestamp='1311166611' post='5371451'] Huh? Malicious Fiend requires Malicious Edge which makes for great Prisma dumps in Evil Heroes. Is this a change? [/quote] No, I simply asked would you run it if it was like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 oh cool, I was worried - No that would actually hurt the card because you couldn't mill a component with Prisma. It also means King of the Swamp plus a dead Gorz allows you to dark call into this. Fiend is awesome to bring out with skill drain because his/her effect is notsogreat - Fiend doesn't pierce and it's effect is very easy to play around. Also we get E Hero Nova Master in 16? days - Evil Heroes will gain relevance with his release. I worry about the sexual orientation of Nova Master though. He's such a flamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Uh I'll just discuss the card as it is thanks. Built a deck around it a while ago, pretty fun. Sad that it doesn't force your opponent to conduct their battle phase though, that would have made it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Akira' timestamp='1311170384' post='5371512'] Built a deck around it a while ago, pretty fun. Sad that it doesn't force your opponent to conduct their battle phase though, that would have made it better. [/quote] All out attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Cyber Eltanin' timestamp='1311172091' post='5371549'] All out attacks? [/quote] Colosseum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Card is good, materials kill it a bit :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1311174994' post='5371642'] Colosseum? [/quote] Combined with Final Attack Orders, and we have our forced battle phase. [quote][color=#1C2837][font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif]Card is good, materials kill it a bit :/[/quote][/font][/color] [color=#1C2837][font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif] [/font][/color] [color=#1C2837][font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif]Would my "new" materials make it more playable? That is the question at hand.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Cyber Eltanin' timestamp='1311175957' post='5371675'] [color=#1C2837][font=tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif]Would my "new" materials make it more playable? That is the question at hand.[/font][/color] [/quote] With Gaiademisetown it would be insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1311176056' post='5371679'] With Gaiademisetown it would be insane. [/quote] Indeed. And Dark Gaia wouldn't be the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Also, [quote]"Evil Hero Malicious Edge"[/quote] This is not the problem with Summoning him. [quote] This card cannot be Special Summoned except with "Dark Fusion." [/quote] This is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 No. Malicious Edge is a good Evil Hero, and level 6+ Fiends aren't that common outside of Caius and Gorz, neither of which you'd normally run in Evil Heroes (maybe Gorz). What hurts this card the most is the Dark Fusion part. It should have been summonable by Super Poly. Then its effect would be epic, since you could use Super Poly during the Battle Phase. And really, Dark Fusion for all Evil Heroes always felt contrary to what the anime logic was: Dark Fusion was an evil version of Polymerization. Fusion Summons normally using Elemental Heroes and Polymerization became the corrupted, Evil Hero Version. Wild Cyclone= Wild Wingman, Inferno Wing= Flame Wingman. Lightning Golem= Thunder Giant. Infernal Sniper= Rampart Blaster, complete with "upgraded" versions of the Elemental Hero effect. In the anime, Dark Gaia and Malicious Fiend were Summoned with Super Polymerization, which in itself was treated as an evil card, making the "corruption" make sense. Both Gaia and Fiend have at least one non-specific material. Since they're not really Evil counterparts of an existing Hero, I don't know why they must use Dark Fusion, aside from consistency among the archetype. But that's a valid enough reason, and they get Dark Calling as a result, so I can't complain THAT much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted July 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1311177471' post='5371725'] Also, This is not the problem with Summoning him. This is the problem. [/quote] Crap, I should have omitted that in the first post. I'd edit it now, but Post editing is a b****, so you might as well continue with what you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1311177564' post='5371730'] I don't know why they must use Dark Fusion, aside from consistency among the archetype.[/quote] Getting rid of the Dark Fusion clause wouldn't ruin consistency, since there would be nothing stopping it from being Summoned by Dark Fusion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1311184360' post='5371973'] Getting rid of the Dark Fusion clause wouldn't ruin consistency, since there would be nothing stopping it from being Summoned by Dark Fusion anyway. [/quote] I meant consistency in terms of "All Evil Heroes use Dark Fusion", an additional benefit being access to Dark Calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaouJudai Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 What we need is a unification spell that can work for both dark fusion and normal fusions - it would be one stop shopping for Heros / evil or otherwise. As it is now you have to take up all the deck space with fusion spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSDelano Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Don't forget this: [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/1/18/DarkCallingDP06-EN-R.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 In related news, there is also Battle Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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