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[crimsonwendy]

In September Ignision Priortity will be a thing of the past. That being old news I'm sure to 99.9% of you I have been very curious about something. Many cards like Naturia Cliff, Tender of the Laval Volcano, and Naturia Eggplant all say that you can activate card effects unlike Sangan and Gravekeepers Recruiter. Due to priority the ones that say: you can, miss there timing when they are used for synchro, ritual, fusion, and tribute summons. With Ignision priority gone will this have any affect on these monsters. See I would think it would because if there is no need to check due to priority, why would they miss there timing when you are using them for material in a summons.

Thoughts?

[byak]

We're not losing priority at all, what we are losing is being able to use priority with monster ignition effects upon them being summoned. Regardless, the change doesn't have a confirmed date as far as the TCG goes, so for all we know we could get it in a year.

 

also to answer your question, no. The change only affects activating monster effects upon them being summoned.

 

tl;dr being stupid is against the rules etc

[crimsonwendy]

We're not losing priority at all, what we are losing is being able to use priority with monster ignition effects upon them being summoned. Regardless, the change doesn't have a confirmed date as far as the TCG goes, so for all we know we could get it in a year.

 

also to answer your question, no. The change only affects activating monster effects upon them being summoned.

 

tl;dr being stupid is against the rules etc

first of all I never said we were loosing priority completly as I recall I said Ignision Summons. Second I have heard from Judges that the rule was coming in Sept.

Finally when a monster is summoned like sangan it gains its effect recardless of wether you use it as a material for summons. However cards like Naturia Cliff miss there timing because of prority. So if your monster is an Ignision Summon monster why would it miss its timing if it is used as summon material by an Ignision monster.

I don't think it is a dumb question. So please don't be rude.

[darkwolf777]

Naturia Cliff, Tender of the Laval Volcano, and Naturia Eggplant

 

All three cards you listed are TRIGGER Effects. "Priority" has nothing to do with missed timing. The timing to activate was missed due to another event. You can Tribute "Naturia Cliff" for a Tribute Summon, but you cannot stop the Tribute Summon halfway to activate "Naturia Cliff". This is why it misses the timing. It has nothing to do with "priority".

 

Priority rulings change only affect a player's ability to activate IGNITION monster effects at the timing of a monster's successful summon.

[crimsonwendy]

No one understands what I am trying to say in this post, and I can't quite put it into better words. So never mind this Topic.

[darkwolf777]

So if your monster is an Ignision Summon monster why would it miss its timing if it is used as summon material by an Ignision monster.

 

This question you asked makes absolutely no sense. You'll have to ask it better, or you're misunderstanding the entire concept of the priority change. Ignition Effects can't "miss timing", there's no such thing. Ignition Effects are effects that you can choose to activate during your Main Phases.

 

Do not confuse "Ignition Effects" with "Optional Trigger Effects". They are not the same thing.

[crimsonwendy]

This question you asked makes absolutely no sense. You'll have to ask it better, or you're misunderstanding the entire concept of the priority change. Ignition Effects can't "miss timing", there's no such thing. Ignition Effects are effects that you can choose to activate during your Main Phases.

 

Do not confuse "Ignition Effects" with "Optional Trigger Effects". They are not the same thing.

I am bad at trying to put things into words right away so I know my question makes no sence. However I talked to a judge and had to show them what I ment and they got it right away. So instead of trying to tell ya what I ment I am just going to make a youtube video and try to show what I mean there, then post the link.

[byak]

Optional Trigger Effects still miss timing even if they're used for Synchro/Fusion/Tribute monsters etc and they have no priority. The last thing to happen is the monster being summoned, not the monster hitting the grave. Therefore since cards like Naturia Cliff going to the graveyard aren't the last thing to happen in a summon, they miss timing.

[darkwolf777]

If you're using "Trigger Effect Monsters" as your examples, crimsonwendy, then whatever you say is going to be wrong as the priority change does not affect them at all.

 

Everything you said in the opening post has no association to the priority change. It was all about "Trigger Effect Monsters" and "Missing The Timing". If your question has anything to do with "Trigger Effect Monsters" as well as "Missing the Timing", then once again, your question has NOTHING to do with the priority rule change and is not affected.

 

If I still don't understand you, try explaining it here, by using a real example with real cards.

[crimsonwendy]

If you're using "Trigger Effect Monsters" as your examples, crimsonwendy, then whatever you say is going to be wrong as the priority change does not affect them at all.

 

Again, try explaining it here, using actual monster cards in your examples.

Ok I will try. If you Synchro summon Black Rose LV7 by Synching Naturia Cliff, Naturia Eggplant, and Tender of the Laval Volcano right now you would not get there effect because of Ignision Priority were you have to check for the Black Roses Effect. However if you do the same thing when Ignision Priority is gone then you have no need to check because you have to first wait for your opponent's card effects like bottemless trap hole or effect vailer. This would mean that black roses effect could not go off until your opponent has finished with there responce. Thus there is nothing proventing the other three monsters effects from going off.

That is the best I can do. Sorry.

[darkwolf777]

Ok I will try. If you Synchro summon Black Rose LV7 by Synching Naturia Cliff, Naturia Eggplant, and Tender of the Laval Volcano right now you would not get there effect because of Ignision Priority were you have to check for the Black Roses Effect.

 

Incorrect. Even if you Synchro Summoned Scrap Archfiend, who has NO effect, you'd still miss the timing. If those cards had a right to be activated, then they would chain to Black Rose Dragon, not miss the timing. Once again, Priority rule changes have nothing to do with Trigger Effects, absolutely nothing. I cannot say that enough. Naturia Cliff, Naturia Eggplant, and Tender of the Laval Volcano are ALL Optional Trigger Effects.

 

Black Rose Dragon isn't an Ignition Effect either (BRD is a Trigger Effect). You use the term "Ignition Priority", but you gotta understand that it ONLY applies to "Ignition Effects".

 

I'm glad you spoke with a Judge first, but most TCG judges aren't that smart in regards to ruling themselves, but rely on their cheat sheets of listed rulings Konami has given them =/ As I mentioned before, its one thing to know a rule, and another thing entirely to understand why the rule is in place. Many TCG Judges lack the understanding behind it, then when asked to rule something they don't know the ruling for, they don't know how to put the pieces together to make an accurate ruling.

 

If you're not sure of the difference between Ignition and Trigger Effects, then I suggest taking a look at the Yugioh rulebook again. :<