Akira Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 [color=#008000]>mfw permanent infant mutilation is still practiced and legal in this day and age[/color] [img]http://i54.tinypic.com/1z16vr5.gif[/img] Seriously? Sorry if this is a touchy subject for some, but I think it's a downright abomination to deprave your own child of the choice to not have part of their body removed for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
六兆年と一夜物語 Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 It's like a Jack-in-the-Box. When you work it, the head pops out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Totally indifferent towards the matter. No one likes extra saggy skin anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 It's non-consensual child mutilation. Oh, and rabbis are supposed to remove the foreskin after the cut by sucking it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yasu Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Totally indifferent towards the matter. No one likes being mutilated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Do the kids even remember the event? No so it shouldnt even matter they cannot make the right decision for themselves anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 When most men are circumcised, I can promise you that 99% of that population are happy with it. However, its true that it isn't fair to mutilate the penis of an infant, but the head of a circumcised penis is existent in EVERY man. For example if you were to pull back the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis, the head is indeed there. So therefore, it technically cant be called mutilation, more of a transformation. Parents make the choice because they are the primary care givers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted August 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1312648165' post='5419722'] Do the kids even remember the event? No so it shouldnt even matter they cannot make the right decision for themselves anyway... [/quote] Worst reasoning ever. I'm sure you wouldn't remember if I amputated one of your arms at birth either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted August 6, 2011 Report Share Posted August 6, 2011 Circumcision is proven to dull physical sexual feelings (I mean from stimulation of the area), and as Christopher Hitchens described it "can ruin a future person's sex life". The trouble is we cannot make accurate comparisons unless a man experiences sex as an adult before circumcision and then experiences it again following circumcision (partly due to the rare occurrence of such a man experiencing that scenario, but mainly due to the varying quality and unpredictability of sexual experiences). To say it is a parental decision is utterly wrong. A Jewish apologist on a television program claimed that his son cried more at his first haircut than at his circumcision. The audience laughed. The man opposite him replied "what if a fanatical Muslim from West Ethiopia had said 'my daughter cried more at her first haircut than when I dabbed her clitoris with carbolic acid and sewed up her vagina'? To make a joke about the mutilation of innocent children to dull their sexual appetite in the future is disgusting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 As far as I see, the only reason worth having it done to your kids is just so they'll fit in more, at least when it comes to sex. I mean most men are already circumcised, no sense letting them be the odd one out. Of course, ideally it'd just be better if we could just see into the future and ask our future children which they would prefer. But since that's [i]obviously[/i] not possible, I'll settle for letting them be more 'normal'. Even if it is stupid. Plus it would probably get really dirty and gross under that skin. Eww. I feel sick just thinking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Akira' timestamp='1312672225' post='5420182'] Worst reasoning ever. I'm sure you wouldn't remember if I amputated one of your arms at birth either. [/quote] Who cares if you did? I wouldnt remember the event when I grow up anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤ Lovely Warrior ❤ Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 circumcision its a way to lessen the likelihood of testicular cancer and aids and for some religions like judaism is nececary to be considerd a man its in no way considerd mutilation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Parents make the choice because a newborn baby can't figure out whether he should eat his legos or jump off of a dresser. (I speak from experience) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='SubZeroSakura❧' timestamp='1312692997' post='5421286'] and for some religions like judaism is nececary to be considerd a man its in no way considerd mutilation [/quote] Not to annoying angry atheist's it isnt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 What is this "most men" I keep hearing about? You must be American, seeing as you think everyone does things exactly like you do. As has been said above, forced mutilation of the body is absolutely disgusting and should be up to the individual if they want to make that kind of decision. That's the sort of question that [b]you [/b]should decide for yourself, [b]not your parents OR THEIR religion.[/b] Miror B., you can't compare preventing something that can outright kill a child, if not seriously harm it, to cutting off a part of their body to fit some strange social code of penis-shape. If your parents heard that you're far more likely to get scholarships for college if you're a cripple, would you accept that? Larxene, you want your children to be normal. Yet, you do something stupid and American to them. Plus, if it got dirty, you'd wash it, just like any other piece of dirty skin. If we cut off your arm straight at the bone, you'd never have pit stains again, either, but that doesn't justify cutting off an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted August 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 It does seem to be more widespread in the states, yet I have no idea why. People have this weird misconception that no foreskin makes you "cleaner", but as Umbra said, practicing basic hygiene is all that is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1312704469' post='5421507'] Miror B., you can't compare preventing something that can outright kill a child, if not seriously harm it, to cutting off a part of their body to fit some strange social code of penis-shape. If your parents heard that you're far more likely to get scholarships for college if you're a cripple, would you accept that? [/quote] Where did you get that from? All I said was that parents choose whether to circumcise their child because newborns usually can't make very good decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larxene Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1312704469' post='5421507'] Larxene, you want your children to be normal. Yet, you do something stupid and American to them. [/quote] Whether I want to or not, it's where I live. I don't have children anyway, it was just a general statement. About the issue in general, I really don't care. It's pretty much harmless and has no real major lasting effect other than a change in appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 You people are looking too far into something as simple as circumcision and you are all complaining in my view because some baby could not make the reasonable decision himself. Circumcision reduces the risk of HIV infection in heterosexual populations that are at risk... I would like to see a baby figure out that crap by himself and then make a reasonable decision about whether to go with it or not... It has not caused any health risk whatsoever to those who were circumcised why would you want to halt it? Because some baby cant make the smart decision himself and that means it cant happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Miror B. Parents who circumcize their child do something to them that is by all means irreversible, taking away any choice they might have in the matter. That doesn't sound like a "good decision" to me. Larxene Not making a circumcision is more "harmless" as the fact is that if the child, once it reaches a certain age, is mature enough to decide for itself whether or not to cut off its foreskin. Hatsune As said above, I'm not against circumcision in itself; I'm against it being forced upon the child without some sort of consent. Therefore, the HIV argument doesn't really apply. A child that has HIV has it from the mother; an adult that runs the risk of getting HIV would probably do so with or without foreskin, and is either way mature enough to make the decision for itself. The fact stands that you're mutilating a child against its will and you're not even frowned upon for it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1312737386' post='5422233'] Miror B. Parents who circumcize their child do something to them that is by all means irreversible, taking away any choice they might have in the matter. That doesn't sound like a "good decision" to me. [/quote] They don't take it away, the make the decision for the little tyke that can't tell the difference between his/her finger and his/her foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1312737386' post='5422233'] Hatsune As said above, I'm not against circumcision in itself; I'm against it being forced upon the child without some sort of consent. Therefore, the HIV argument doesn't really apply. A child that has HIV has it from the mother; an adult that runs the risk of getting HIV would probably do so with or without foreskin, and is either way mature enough to make the decision for itself. The fact stands that you're mutilating a child against its will and you're not even frowned upon for it.. [/quote] The fact also stands that it is for their own good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 I go back to the chopping off an arm to get into college comparison; having a guaranteed way to obtain a higher education would be good for you, right? But of course, the baby can't take that kind of decision for themselves! Logically, the parents should chop their kid's arm off! It's for their own good! They can't tell the difference between an arm and a leg anyhow, they won't know what they're missing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 [quote name='Umbra' timestamp='1312704469' post='5421507'] Miror B., you can't compare preventing something that can outright kill a child, if not seriously harm it, to cutting off a part of their body to fit some strange social code of penis-shape. If your parents heard that you're far more likely to get scholarships for college if you're a cripple, would you accept that? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbra Posted August 7, 2011 Report Share Posted August 7, 2011 Alright, so I wasn't as specific in my first iteration of the argument. Doesn't change the point I'm making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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