Shneider Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I didn't read this whole thread, but it seems like a novice player is trying to break out of his shell and make his own opinions, this outrageous arrogance added with little support is one of the transitional steps from not so good player to better. Also, fusion, you should consider playing Birdman, because it recycles Diva, and because gen fish like to bring out leviair a lot, you can easily make brionac all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314627687' post='5477126'] Now you're just twisting things to be an ass. [/quote] I'm using your own logic against you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shneider Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Also, I think the majority of the players who are posting here, Vermillion and Konoe, and Cursed are being jerks and equally arrogant who aren't giving proper explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1314627783' post='5477132'] I'm using your own logic against you [/quote] Your twisting my logic into nonsense. I said this deck lacked support for Bani-Fish. Dive and Gravity Bind support them. Don't be a f***ing a twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Shneider' timestamp='1314627945' post='5477138'] Also, I think the majority of the players who are posting here, Vermillion and Konoe, and Cursed are being jerks and equally arrogant who aren't giving proper explanations. [/quote] I could write a big wall of text why cards he suggested are bad and why my build is better, I'm good at this stuff, but I just don't feel like it, so I preffer being a douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314628021' post='5477140'] Your twisting my logic into nonsense. I said this deck lacked support for Bani-Fish. Dive and Gravity Bind support them. Don't be a f***ing a twat. [/quote] DK, listen to me. You can't have archetype hivemind. Tour Guide is a staple, and helps the deck. It supports the theme of spamming rank 3s Oh, and ignore Schneider, he's a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314628021' post='5477140'] Your twisting my logic into nonsense. I said this deck lacked support for Bani-Fish. Dive and Gravity Bind support them. Don't be a f***ing a twat. [/quote] You said Banisharks goal is to banish your monsters. Diva and Bind don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1314628152' post='5477146'] DK, listen to me. You can't have archetype hivemind. Tour Guide is a staple, and helps the deck. It supports the theme of spamming rank 3s Oh, and ignore Schneider, he's a troll [/quote] Tour guide I can live with simply because it pulls Leviar out who runs wild with your banished monsters. Still, the deck could use at least some support spells/traps.[quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1314628185' post='5477147'] You said Banisharks goal is to banish your monsters. Diva and Bind don't do it. [/quote] Diva and bind help achieve that. Quit acting like a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314628627' post='5477157'] Tour guide I can live with simply because it pulls Leviar out who runs wild with your banished monsters. Still, the deck could use at least some support spells/traps. [/quote] That's still hivemind. Most support like that is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314628627' post='5477157'] Diva and bind help achieve that. Quit acting like a moron. [/quote] Do any of them say "banish"? No. So they don't help the goal at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1314628753' post='5477161'] Do any of them say "banish"? No. So they don't help the goal at all [/quote] ...what? Is it bad that I literally want to kill you right now for being such an idiot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314628930' post='5477165'] ...what? Is it bad that I literally want to kill you right now for being such an idiot? [/quote] No, it's good. You're realizing that your logic is f***ed up and stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Holy hell people. All this in one day?! [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314619421' post='5476927'] MONSTERS -1 Wingtortoise = Three makes dead draws happen a bit to much. .-. -3 Tour Guides = Unless you give me a REALLY good reason as to why you're using it, I'll keep telling you to take it out. Tour Guide is overused in my opinion. -1 Sangan = Read Tour Guide +2 Spearfish Soldier = Gets a boost from all your banished monsters +1 Big Jaws = 1800 three star that banishes itself, umm...yes! +1 Flyfang = Two is good +1 Piercing Moray = I'll explain this in the spells. Look for Dimensional Fissure SPELLS -1 Gold Sarcophagus = I don't see the point of two. -1 Giant Trunade = Swapping for Heavy -1 Monster Reborn -2 Pot of Avarice +1 Heavy Storm +2 Dimensional Fissures = Umm...do I need to explain this? Activate this card, then use Piercing Moray's effect. And now you're setting yourself up for other cards in your deck. +1 Fish and Kicks +2 Fish and Swaps TRAPS -1 Royal Oppression -1 Call of the Haunted -1 Solemn Warning (maybe) +1 Underworld Egg Clutch +1 Oh F!sh! (two if you take Solemn Warning out) Well, there is my noobish opinion. [/quote] -I run 3 Wingtortoise so that I consistently have 1, but I'm not overly opposed to removing 1. -Remove Tour Guide? My deck took a huge boost in consistency due to the ability to drop a Rank 3 and search Diva/Tortoise/whatever for one card. -I'm not removing my main searcher. Sangan is amazing BECAUSE Banisharks have low ATK. Tour Guide makes [b]Sangan[/b] better. Sangan is staple here. -At most, I'd consider 1 Spearfish, and ONLY because it's Level 4 so Trishula is manageable. -I ran Big Jaws in my original build. Its only use was a mediocre beatstick that I could use for Black Ray Lancer and played well with Leviair. I'll pass. -A second Flyfang isn't the worst idea. I originally added 1 to test out, and it's proven to be epic. -I briefly considered Moray...but like Spearfish, only because it's a Level 4 and searchable with Sangan. Flyfang is a better piercer for the theme. Being Level 4 is a bad thing in Moray's case. -Gold Sarc searches any card in my deck, and can set up Leviair plays with Tour Guide, or grab me a crucial card for me to push for advantage/game. I often grab a Pot of Avarice so that I can Diva/Tour Guide with relative impunity. This card is actually going to be BETTER soon, when Heavy Storm is back. -Trunade for Storm is obvious, but thanks. -D-Fissure? That messes up Wingtortoise plays unless I immediately Xyz Summon and detach it. Even though Wing will go off much more often, it won't do me much good if I'm forced to spam my Rank 3s just to prevent my strategy from being ruined by my own cards. That said, the anti-meta applications are viable. -1 Avarice, yes for the list, and the second if I was running D-Fissure, since then I don't have any use for it. -Fish and Kicks...maybe if I'm running D-Fissure. Without D-Fissure, this card NEVER works. I had it in my original build and pretty much never had 3 RFGed. -Fish and Swaps...okay if I'm running D-Fissure, this is decent. -Oppression is a given. -Call...all your changes seem to rely on me running D-Fissure. -Solemn Warning?! Why? Countering my opponent's plays at almost every turn is incredible with a deck that has trouble maintaining a threatening field presence. -Underworld Egg Clutch is nice for searching, but it's non-chainable and specific. I strived to have my deck somewhat control oriented. -F!sh...ran it in my first build, found it was either difficult to meet the conditon, or I didn't WANT to return that to the deck. D-Fissure would indeed make the card better. [quote name='Dwarven King' timestamp='1314625729' post='5477058'] I can't use my Bani-Fish deck on DN. DN doesn't have half the cards I use...like Wingtortoise. I fail to see where you're going with this Black. [/quote] That's so odd. I've been running this deck on DN. They just haven't changed the names to the English ones, yet. [quote name='Shneider' timestamp='1314627945' post='5477138'] Also, I think the majority of the players who are posting here, Vermillion and Konoe, and Cursed are being jerks and equally arrogant who aren't giving proper explanations. [/quote] Noel and Konoe are both trustworthy players and deckbuilders in my eyes. They're probably a lot better than me, and I respect them as players. Their advice has a lot more credibility off the bat, and they know how my deck currently performs, having played against it and seen it played. In addition, I know they're competent in general knowledge. I may consider building a Banishark version that uses D-Fissure, just to see how it plays out, but I disagree that my deck isn't a "Banishark deck" just because I play it differently than how DK expects it to. My primary monster lineup includes Wingtortoise, Fly Fang, Airorca, but with staples and techs to make it stronger and more consistent, such as Tour Guide, Diva, etc. I got the build improvements from Mage, and the deck skyrocketed in power and consistency, and considering my original build was already (somehow) winning in DN tournies despite all odds, this was extremely welcome. I am open to further improvements, but revamping the entire deck to suit your vision of how the theme should be run seems like a step backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I couldn't put it this good, evilfusion. You have my total respect. That's all we were trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 You don't mention me but :< Basically what evilfusion said. What I notice in 'novice' players is that they insist on running more options and as many different cards as possible. Usually they go through this via placing in as much mediocre support from that archetype as possible. The other thing that they don't understand is that Konami is a business. They, out of the 3 TCGs, are more money-orientated. They make crap cards which is one of the unfortunate things that happen from this. No-one seems to see the crap cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1314634401' post='5477316'] You don't mention me but :< Basically what evilfusion said. What I notice in 'novice' players is that they insist on running more options and as many different cards as possible. Usually they go through this via placing in as much mediocre support from that archetype as possible. The other thing that they don't understand is that Konami is a business. They, out of the 3 TCGs, are more money-orientated. They make crap cards which is one of the unfortunate things that happen from this. No-one seems to see the crap cards. [/quote] I don't know you or your rep nearly as well as I do the others. Also, I didn't notice you debating nearly as much/"jerkily" as the other two. I want to note that my original Banishark deck honestly was crappy, even though it won games. I tried a lot of the crap support like Underworld Egg Clutch, F!sh and Big Jaws. I ultimately felt it was lacking a big push and went into completely revamping which support I used and what techs, and re-ran my numbers on some cards. So I'm not just dismissing the ideas as "I like my deck the way it is". In truth, I kind of like the D-Fissure idea. But I would make a second deck to work with that, rather than permanently alter the deck that is already performing well (in a low Tier sort of way). I'm looking for ways to improve [u]this[/u] build/style. If the deck was garbage, then I would agree with the "you're doing it wrong" approach, but I honestly don't believe I am doing it wrong or, at least not so horrendously wrong that everything needs to be altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 No-one knows me that well so :> I wasn't referring to you, if you thought that, by the way. Anyway, D-Fissure Banisharks doesn't really work even as a low-tier deck. It's just wrong in my opinion :/ OT: -1 Skystarray +1 Airorca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 No, I knew that. I wanted to explain that I know my deck isn't perfect, and I have, from experience, tried some of the lesser support and found them unsatisfying. That may be true, but it's an idea worth trying in a separate deck. If it fails miserably, I'll still have this one and feel better off for it. An Orca for a Ray? Sure, I can give that a shot. Made these changes (in no way permanent and correction on choice heavily encouraged): -1 Skystarray +1 Airorca -1 Pot of Avarice -1 Giant Trunade -1 Royal Oppression +1 Gold Sarcophagus +1 Surface +1 Heavy Storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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