Tentacruel Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Subjective thinking like that is why nothing ever gets done. You have to realize that you can't just ignore the opinions of half of America simply because you think you're right. The Republicans are even worse about that, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of Calamity Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1316364849' post='5523186'] **golfclap** [/quote] Wait so when a person becomes president they are automatically an idiot? Or are you saying that the only people who run for president are idiots? If its the first one you are a gigantic idiot because there are smart people who have become president that have changed this country for the better and you are only generalizing. If its the second one, then if a smart person were to run for president wouldn't that solve the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 The phrase "American Idiots" has rarely been so apt (even if one is only aware of said phrase due to dreary warblers "Greenday", responsible for my hatred of pseudo-Indie pop since 2006). Obama has some lovely ideas, like free healthcare (an idea that has saved millions upon millions of lives in the UK alone, not to mention Australia and every other country in the world advanced enough to implement it). The trouble is he is a Democrat and his ideas have to be passed through a Republican-majority congress. So while Republican (or Libertarian) critics pan him for doing nothing, it is because of the Republican-majority congress, not him (this is why the Presidential system is markedly inferior to the better Ministerial Electorate system, but that's another story). Jobs can be created by public spending. In a time of economic recession, public spending capital can only be generated by raising taxes. Thanks to a Republican-majority congress, no bill that raises taxes will ever be ratified. So Obama has to console the American people through public speaking, and when you have a Republican-majority congress and a media dominated by bloodthirsty right-wing American FOOLS, his every movement is scrutinised, which is why every single day we have Tea Party fundies baying for blood and screaming "We need jobs, not speeches". The truth is, despite America being a secular republic created by intellectuals (including one of the first Atheistic thinkers and one of the best political philosophers of all time), the American people have a pathological hatred of intellectuals (due to association with the British, one postulates). This would be okay, but because of their giant inferiority and "we are chosen" complexes, they scream it from the rooftops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flinsbon Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 ^FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT RIGHT Republican: "Obama ur totally useless! DO SOMETHING!!!!" Obama: "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?!?! YOU WONT LET ME DO ANYTHING!!!!" its so obvious and yet every republican you talk to will deny it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of Calamity Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 [quote name='Flinsbon' timestamp='1316368700' post='5523343'] ^FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT RIGHT Republican: "Obama ur totally useless! DO SOMETHING!!!!" Obama: "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?!?! YOU WONT LET ME DO ANYTHING!!!!" its so obvious and yet every republican you talk to will deny it. [/quote] Your forgetting something important: Taxes reverberate an economy and help it get back on its feet BUT Too many taxes can drive people to poverty which is a big problem right now. Republicans want to end poverty but their foolish tax plans will hurt the economy. Democrats want to help the economy but their constant spending doesn't help and their constant taxes are hurting the people. In short, both sides suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1316363197' post='5523118'] [b]Unfortunately, it is.[/b] If Barack hadn't stepped up to the plate and had been voted for President, we would be stuck with a 150 year-old crippled man with teeth falling out every two seconds. Joking aside, I find it incredibly stupid that African-Americans voted for Barack "because dat brother is gonna make thangs right, ya know". Four years after his election, he promised change. And there has been change, I can see that. And it is the change that is going to ruin this country. [/quote] Yes, because all African Americans think the same, don't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apostle of Calamity Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 [quote name='Lunar Origin' timestamp='1316372383' post='5523537'] Yes, because all African Americans think the same, don't they. [/quote] Correction: African Americans do not all think the same way. African Americans in the Congressional Black Caucus think the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 [quote name='Eva-Chan' timestamp='1316372619' post='5523553'] Correction: African Americans do not all think the same way. African Americans in the Congressional Black Caucus think the same way. [/quote] It's called [i]sarcasm[/i]. Was it not painfully obvious? And lol at the second line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Devil's Advocate is a racist, generalizing bigot. Or at least that's the impression I'm getting from his posts in this topic. [i]Fixed. And they are all idiots to boot.[/i] I agree, every African American that voted for Obama is an idiot. I agree, every Caucasian that voted for [insert white president here] is an idiot. Yay! [i]If you didn't fix what we put you in office to fix[/i] The situation is arguably better than the situation in 2008, not to mention he's not a totalitarian leader. He's been trying to pass legislation for three years to fix this country, but he has to deal with a House that is controlled by the Republicans and a Senate that is pretty split, as well. If Obama was a totalitarian leader and everything he said was the word of the law, we might be in a better position right now. But America decided to abandon the idea of a monarchy or an oligarchy, so here we are. And you know what the worst part is? People are going to vote for a Republican this time around because they "don't want a Democrat in office". I don't know where this logic stems from, but apparently people think conservative economic policies are going to be better for this country. If we elect any of the Republicans and the economy is arguably worse in 2014, I swear to god I'm going to go on a mass killing rampage. There is no proof that conservative ideals are going to help the economy any more than liberal ideals, so we're taking a blind leap of faith throwing Obama out of office. At least Obama has prevented an economy worse than the 2008 one, at least he's been tackling (albeit slowly) the issue of jobs and unemployment. One of the best quotes I heard was, "America doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem." I call it a good quote because it really shows the ignorance of conservatives everywhere. Yes, we have a spending problem, that much I can agree with. But someone making ten million dollars a year can afford to buy seven cars. We might not have a revenue problem, but having more revenue would alleviate our spending problem. Not to mention that the highest tax bracket, sitting at about 40% income tax, is applied to people who [i]make more than half of the income in America[/i]. It's unfair that people making millions upon millions of dollars an hour aren't taxed nearly as much as they should be. They make money, great, but that just means they should be willing to give more money away. Is it communistic? Hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Actually Dark, it is communistic. And it's exactly what we need. Edit: I take that back, it's socialistic, but who gives a damn what it's called. Tax the hell out of the rich. Not the upper working class like doctors. The true rich people. Hell, grab control of their corporations. If you just raise taxes they'll raise their prices and the working class consumers will still be the ones who suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 Socialism has become too much of a negative buzzword when it should be in comparison to "liberty" or whatever. [quote name='Dт. Михаи́л Ботви́нник PчD' timestamp='1316368363' post='5523322']the American people have a pathological hatred of intellectuals (due to association with the British, one postulates). [/quote] I think you've centered your analysis around your country a bit too much, under the assumption that most Americans care about the UK enough to formulate opinions off of it, but otherwise I agree with most of that. One problem with free healthcare is the lack of spearheaded and naturally compounding medical advancements, which currently globalized countries don't have to worry about when they can simply mimic the result of capitalist-spurred medical development in the US. There's a number of ways to solve that, and rather easily IMO, but it's still a noteworthy point on why other countries can pull off free healthcare far easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted September 19, 2011 Report Share Posted September 19, 2011 [quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1316364849' post='5523186'] **golfclap** [/quote] No. GTFO. [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1316377256' post='5523830'] Actually Dark, it is communistic. And it's exactly what we need. Edit: I take that back, it's socialistic, but who gives a damn what it's called. Tax the hell out of the rich. Not the upper working class like doctors. The true rich people. Hell, grab control of their corporations. If you just raise taxes they'll raise their prices and the working class consumers will still be the ones who suffer. [/quote] I agree. However, Republicans, hell even the senate for that manner may not go for it. I can assume many democrats and republicans have had the idea, but dont have the balls to put it forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 I think Obama is probably the most unfortunate president in the history of this nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1316351880' post='5522725'] Except that's his job. At least, that's pretty much why we elected him this time. [b](That or people decided we needed a black president for once, which is terrible logic)[/b] [/quote] So now it's comproved, Brazil has terrible logic. The most voted deputy of last election was A CLOWN. From this: [img]http://oglobo.globo.com/blogs/arquivos_upload/2010/11/321_120-tiririca.jpg[/img] To this: [img]http://www.saopauloagora.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Tiririca_na_camara-400x300.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 obama's government is imperialist, all the past american governments have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 [quote name='Eva-Chan' timestamp='1316368958' post='5523353'] Your forgetting something important: Taxes reverberate an economy and help it get back on its feet BUT Too many taxes can drive people to poverty which is a big problem right now. Republicans want to end poverty but their foolish tax plans will hurt the economy. Democrats want to help the economy but their constant spending doesn't help and their constant taxes are hurting the people. In short, both sides suck. [/quote] In short, you are completely politically blind. You were probably taught the "taxes drive people to poverty" thing by whatever fundie nutbags teach or raise you (no offence intended). If you had read my post (and knew anything about Far-Left political theory), you may have noticed that one proclaimed that we should tax only the rich heavily. Do you think Oil Barons are going to be "driven to poverty" by higher income and inheritance tax? [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1316383492' post='5524226'] Socialism has become too much of a negative buzzword when it should be in comparison to "liberty" or whatever. [b]Correction - socialism has [u]always[/u] been a negative buzzword in America.[/b] I think you've centered your analysis around your country a bit too much, under the assumption that most Americans care about the UK enough to formulate opinions off of it, but otherwise I agree with most of that. One problem with free healthcare is the lack of spearheaded and naturally compounding medical advancements, which currently globalized countries don't have to worry about when they can simply mimic the result of capitalist-spurred medical development in the US. There's a number of ways to solve that, and rather easily IMO, but it's still a noteworthy point on why other countries can pull off free healthcare far easier. [/quote] Great Britain, a country ravaged by the Second World War, a country having to deal with the Irish situation, a country that was still rationing - that Britain managed to pull off the best free healthcare system in the world. Of course America can do it. Your hypothesis about the marketed healthcare systems in America is an interesting one. Most of big pharma's main players are European (GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis, Bayer, Sanofi, AstraZeneca, Hoffman-La Roche and Teva, to name a few) and more R&D is done outside of the US than you would think. And don't think that free healthcare means either the nationalization of pharmaceutical companies or the death of them. GSK and Astra are thriving here in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhorus Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Great Britain having to deal with the Irish situation? More like the Irish having to deal with the British situation. .... I agree with 100% of your post though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 UK has free healthcare too? >:[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted September 23, 2011 Report Share Posted September 23, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1316737175' post='5533599'] UK has free healthcare too? >:[ [/quote] Even Brazil has free healthcare. Except ours is nowhere near the level of Europe, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:^) Posted September 24, 2011 Report Share Posted September 24, 2011 The ammount of unemployed people is too damn high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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