Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 How did you even find our site, anyway? We're this little insignificant forum that appeared out of nowhere some time ago in InvisionFree. Do you, like, regularly search for stolen images online? And why pick on us? Half the Internet "steals" dA artwork because it's so damn good. Why throw all the blame on us? To be honest, I'm sick of dA complainers. Back during my absence from the site, I posted my artwork online and expressly asked for it to be used. I could care less where. In my eyes, having your art used is an honor. That's certainly how I viewed it. I don't get why you care; like I said earlier, we're practically invisible online. If you really expected some flimsy, changing-every-day copyright law to get between good people and good artwork, sorry to disappoint you, but the Internet's not the safest place in the world. Porn sites prove that. So, if you're a complaining dA member, I'm not flaming you. I'm just saying I can't see where you're coming from (both literally and figuratively). Why attack this site when hundreds of other websites use "stolen" dA work? Why attack at all, when half the internet is judging you to be such superior artists that they can't dream of using any other mediocre source? And how on Earth did you find this tiny site anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Personally I would always ask the person to use thier Art. I would credit them of course either in the Cards Copyright or in the Topic. If they say "No" then no worries I wouldnt use it. Don`t forget its thier creation. I personally would be honored if someone asked me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 jspamax: Any ideas on how they found YCM in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Well maybe they did a Google Image Search and found their Image Hosted here? Then the News spreads like Wildfire and total War starts..... Also come on...... Yu-Gi-Oh is one of the hottest things on the Internet rivalled by Final Fantasy. It was more then chance this site was found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Not a very nice destiny, then, is it? And would they really be so paranoid as to Google search for their dA images? From what I gathered, the complainers thought the copyright would work. But seriously, if this keeps up, I'm never visiting dA again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Not at all....... Credit should be given. Then this wouldn`t have happened in the first place! These people do have the right unfortunatly.... I stopped visiting DA a while back. I said something bad about a Picture and was Swamped by Rabid Fanboys/Girls... It was only constructive Critism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 It would have. These guys want us to ask to use their images. And there's no way I'm doing that; it would take literally FOREVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 It would have. These guys want us to ask to use their images. And there's no way I'm doing that; it would take literally FOREVER. Then your getting banned ^_^ For now, crediting and disclaimers is fine, unless you struggle with reading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberas Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Have you not read the 100 posts about this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tefached Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I agree with this completly it should be a complment that someone likes your art good enough to use it and the weird part is that some pics on da they stole from somewhere else and uploaded it onto that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Have you not read the 100 posts about this issue? He clearly has not lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberas Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 well guys, this has been whined about over and over. If you're really wondering why DA artists are pissed, read the topics about this issue and the copyright thread. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Supreme Gamesmaster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I've read them, and I still can't figure out a) why they're picking on YCM of all placesb) how they found the YCM Trust me, I'm FED UP with these threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I've read them' date=' and I still can't figure out a) why they're picking on YCM of all placesb) how they found the YCM Trust me, I'm FED UP with these threads.[/quote'] a) They are not picking on us...b) The same way everybody else finds it...c) You do realise this is one of 'those' threads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberas Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 And we're all fed up with people stealing our art. You're not the only person in the world unhappy about this situation. And since apparently the hundreds of posts stating why we're here whatnot, here's the jist of it so you can stop making THESE threads: We're not 'picking' on YCM, we're telling you to abide by the rules. There are many places currently going through the same issue of copyright infringement where artists are fighting for their rights to their work. It is currently going on everyday on DeviantArt itself. I'd say over 50% of the internet is full of art theft cases. Fans found this site I imagine by simply browsing the internet. How did YOU find this site? How did ANYONE find this site? We don't have a freaking ATP (Art-Theft-patrol :P ) set up, we're artists, not a government nor a police force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocarra Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 How did you even find our site' date=' anyway?[/quote'] I didn't. A handful of people recognised my artwork being used on this site. When this happens, often people will report this to the artist, to check if the art usage was authorised. Do you' date=' like, regularly search for stolen images online?[/quote'] Some people do. For some people, art is their primary source of income, and as such, it's worthwhile to look after one's career and economic security. If you made money from professionally designing Yu-Gi-Oh cards, I doubt you'd appreciate it if people started stealing the designs and posting it everywhere without your permission. Maybe that was a poor analogy, but I think you get my point. And why pick on us? Half the Internet "steals" dA artwork because it's so damn good. Why throw all the blame on us? No one is meaning to pick specifically on this site' date=' persay. There is always art theft going on, and this is just one example that has been brought to attention. Mostly, there has been attention being given to Photobucket, actually, because of its new policy to provide prints, and this is a much larger, more important problem. I suppose one reason why this site has gotten attention is because of certain threads that actually suggest users take art from deviantArt, specifically. This site has specifically "targeted" dA as a free image source (which it is not), and in return, a few artists from dA have "targeted" YCM as a place to keep an eye out for unauthorised art usage. No one is throwing all the blame on "you" (well, perhaps some are, but those people are probably being unreasonable). However, when you start using other people's things, you have to expect that these people will eventually notice, and want to either talk to, yell at, or ask you about it. To be honest, I'm sick of dA complainers. That's perfectly fair and fine. If I, for example, were always tracing people's photographs, I would get sick of photographers always complaining to me and getting my work taken down. It's an inconvenience, naturally. But that doesn't mean the photographers have done anything wrong - you have every right to be sick of complainers, but then also complainers also have every right to be sick of you, provided that you have repeatedly done things that they have specifically asked you not to (that is, don't take art without asking, etc.) Back during my absence from the site' date=' I posted my artwork online and expressly asked for it to be used. I could care less where. In my eyes, having your art used is an honor. That's certainly how I viewed it. [/quote'] Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is like me, for that matter. Some people think even saving artwork to your own hard drive is stealing, while others, like yourself, think that the more people use their work, the more and better the publicity. It would be unfair to think that everyone should feel as you do. The internet is a global community, whether the rules are the same or not as with "real life." Part of that is being respectful and considerate of others to a general extent. That would include not stealing their stuff - because SOME people care, and care a lot (for various reasons with varying legitimacy), and because it is generally against the rules (be it government copyright laws, or posting guidelines on a forum). It is an honour, in a way, but that does not make it necessarily a good thing. People steal things because the thing must be nice, yes, but that doesn't make stealing nice. People rape girls, too, because they are pretty, but that certainly doesn't make rape pretty. Everything has something possibly good or possibly bad in it, but in the end, one has to try to be considerate of others, which means respecting their property. I don't get why you care; You shouldn't have to. One should not have to "get" why a person is the way he is in order to respect them. One simply has to know that some people don't like their art being used in order to respect that. Also' date=' some people care because their economic future depends on it. Some artists are amateurs, hobbyists. Others are professionals, and it's what they do for a living. If it makes people money, they usually care enough to want to protect it. This might not make sense to you, and you might not agree with it (I certainly don't agree with every possible mindset an "artist" may have), but that doesn't mean that NO ONE should care, just because some people don't. the Internet's not the safest place in the world. Oh, of course not. That's why most serious artists have watermarks, and why they actively seek to protect their work. Part of that is going after people who use their art without permission and asking them to remove it, or asking them to give credit. The big question seems to be, "Why put your art on the internet if you don't want it to be taken?" There are various answers to that... Why might you post your cards online? Because you enjoy them, and want to share them, and because other people enjoy them, too. I personally enjoy sharing my art because it's exciting to see other people share my enthusiasm for something, and because it's interesting to hear about what my art may or may not evoke in people. Other people are on the internet almost purely for marketability and advertising. What better a way to reach the world and showcase your goods than to use the internet? The internet is a place of business as much as it is a place of fun and games - the unfortunate thing is that the serious part is often abused by the fun part, which again leads me to reiterate that one has to be respectful of others. And it's not just for the "serious part"'s sake. For instance, most people mean no harm in using artwork that isn't theirs, but the fact is that they are violating a serious law, and it means that they can be sued legitimately. It may seem like an inconvenience, but hey, that's the way life is. You can complain about it, but it's not a legitimate, reasonable, or mature excuse for offensive behaviour by any means. On that note, yes, artists who post on the internet should be aware: realistically, your work WILL be taken at some point, by someone. As such, you should be careful, and not shocked when someone meaningfully or ignorantly took your stuff and used it for their own means. These guys want us to ask to use their images. And there's no way I'm doing that; it would take literally FOREVER. I'm sorry that there's no other way to say it: you are whining. This is the way life is: you have to work hard for things, you have to wait in lines, you have to pay money for things, and the world does not revolve around you. Your retort may be: artists are whining. But we have a more legitimate excuse than "I'm selfish and can't be bothered being considerate of others" (which is what you are basically saying - if you do not mean to say this, you should reconsider how you really feel, perhaps, and reread what you have written). A law is being broken, and our property is being abused, and artists are trying to do something about it. If you don't want to wait, and you don't want to deal with artists, and if art is worth so little, why don't you paint images yourself? Obviously, because art can be hard work. If it's a lot of work for you to do the art yourself, then it's a lot of work for the artists who made the art, and you should respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I second everything Jocarra said, its all facts in a very nice formal, form ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Pokemon Lord Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 uhhh...I use dA pics...and google pics...but mainly dA pics...am I in trouble or something because most of my card's pics are from dA. If i'm in trouble, I'm sorry. I'll be sure to give credit from now on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Raver Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 uhhh...I use dA pics...and google pics...but mainly dA pics...am I in trouble or something because most of my card's pics are from dA. If i'm in trouble' date=' I'm sorry. I'll be sure to give credit from now on...[/quote'] Technically we were all in trouble lol But as long as you credit from now on your fine ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocarra Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 uhhh...I use dA pics...and google pics...but mainly dA pics...am I in trouble or something because most of my card's pics are from dA. If i'm in trouble' date=' I'm sorry. I'll be sure to give credit from now on...[/quote'] Technically it's against copyright laws, but nothing will happen unless the artist gets angry and comes after you. This probably won't happen. If you follow the new rules, I'm sure things will be much better. A good hint for those using images from dA... When you save images from deviantART, the artist's name is automatically inserted into the filename (although try to ensure you have the original artist, as some people post derivative works or screenshots/wallpapers, and whatnot). Keep the original filename, and you will always have the artist's dA name handy for each picture. It would also be nice for people to ask first, but I understand it'll take time for the rules to be put into active practice by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kocrow17 Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Questions Answered. LOCKED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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