Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [center][img]http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1678/11496.jpg[/img] [quote=Effect]Once per turn, if this card is in your Graveyard and there is a card(s) on top of this card, you can place this card on top of the next card. If this card is the top card in your Graveyard, you can Banish the next "E-Razer" monster in your Graveyard to Special Summon this card. If you do, Banish it when it is removed from the field.[/quote] Yea. A set based on controlling the order of your Graveyard. Not completely sure if it's not already been done. Oh well. Thoughts?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 My thoughts? Belongs in AoC, because cards like Question are unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Well...there are cards that have to do with where they are in the Graveyard. I still say that if a set is made, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be Realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1320046735' post='5608968'] Well...there are cards that have to do with where they are in the Graveyard. I still say that if a set is made, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be Realistic. [/quote] The concept as a whole is unrealistic, simply because it would cause more hassle than it was actually worth to do so much graveyard sorting and your opponent [i]can[/i] view your opponent and place it back in any order, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I assume if a set such as this were to be made irl, the rules for the Graveyard would change slightly. There really is no definite rule that I know of about changing the order of the grave. All that would happen would be that you can't do that whenever you look. Other than that, no part of this is unrealistic. Hassle? Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1320049157' post='5608974'] I assume if a set such as this were to be made irl, the rules for the Graveyard would change slightly. There really is no definite rule that I know of about changing the order of the grave. All that would happen would be that you can't do that whenever you look. Other than that, no part of this is unrealistic. Hassle? Get over it. [/quote] Sure they would change some rules if this was the case, but that just means that this set is currently going against a certain point of the game and is therefore deemed unrealistic. It's going against an aspect of something which is allowed. Simply because graveyard order really doesn't matter unless it's for things such as Question, which is (guess what?) rather unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Nu-13' timestamp='1320049300' post='5608976'] Sure they would change some rules if this was the case, but that just means that this set is currently going against a certain point of the game and is therefore deemed unrealistic. It's going against an aspect of something which is allowed. Simply because graveyard order really doesn't matter unless it's for things such as Question, which is (guess what?) rather unrealistic. [/quote] Question DOES exists...correct? =/ I guess that's real. So... It seems to me that you were not around for much of RC's history. The name of the game is to pick a mechanic and/or something nobody thinks about, and have fun with it. Nobody thinks about grave order. I'm going to have fun with that. So ya...this is doable. As Question is real (Not realistically useful, but it is real), this set can be real, as well. As with many past sets, some things would have to change, but that doesn't mean it's not realistic. It just means you're trying to be original ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 No reason for this to be in AoC. The site's purpose is to design and create cards that are Realistic, and this definitely fits that bill despite being a new concept, it's not one that would be difficult to implement by any means, despite being a bit too slow to make any sort of an impact in the actual game. It's a fun concept, I'd like to see some kind of [i]Foolish Burial[/i] esque Spell that lets you take 1 monster from your Graveyard and place it on top, etc. Keep it going; it has potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Although I was wrong about the opponent being able to change your graveyard thing, which I shall admit, I still do not believe that this is suitable for RC. This is a concept that would never be implemented in the real game, hence why cards like Carboneddon didn't get printed. I mean, it's a perfectly suitable non-broken card for the time, so why not? Because it requires keeping track of your Graveyard and it's [i]anime-term unrealistic[/i]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 You don't even currently have an archetype. This card by design, as painful as it may sound to you (and me, Crabs, and a few other mods have gotten into an argument with you about this kind of thing before), is by definition AoC currently. Not only does the effect actually mess with the graveyard order (which is nice and all), but how it's worded and all that is completely over the top. As Nu-13 said, REAL cards like "Question" and "Vicious Claw" are completely ridiculous and over the top effect wise, thus AoC. Like it or not, there IS a line you can cross to go directly into an AoC Card. This is the second time you've crossed it. Topic Moved. Alright idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Star' timestamp='1320066789' post='5609083'] No reason for this to be in AoC. The site's purpose is to design and create cards that are Realistic, and this definitely fits that bill despite being a new concept, it's not one that would be difficult to implement by any means, despite being a bit too slow to make any sort of an impact in the actual game. It's a fun concept, I'd like to see some kind of [i]Foolish Burial[/i] esque Spell that lets you take 1 monster from your Graveyard and place it on top, etc. Keep it going; it has potential. [/quote] Pretty much a good summation. The argument against this is like saying Synchro's and XYZ were not realistic when they first came out. So Icy...No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1320084108' post='5609407'] Pretty much a good summation. The argument against this is like saying Synchro's and XYZ were not realistic when they first came out. So Icy...No. [/quote] Let me just ask you 1 question. If there was a card which allowed you to arrange the Graveyard in any specific order, would you deem it to be specific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 >Belongs in AoC >Says otherwise with proof entirely against him >Moves back All I can ask is "Why?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Tristan T. Taylor' timestamp='1320084245' post='5609412'] >Belongs in AoC >Says otherwise with proof entirely against him >Moves back All I can ask is "Why?" [/quote] The proof isn't at all good. Saying something is unrealistic because it is like a real card is simply stupid. Again, the arguments against it are like saying Synchro's and XYZ's were unrealistic when they first came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1320084340' post='5609413'] The proof isn't at all good. Saying something is unrealistic because it is like a real card is simply stupid. Again, the arguments against it are like saying Synchro's and XYZ's were unrealistic when they first came out. [/quote] Not really. This goes against an already in place MECHANIC, changing it would be idiotic on the creator's part. P.S. Synchros and Xyzs WERE unrealistic when they first came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1320084340' post='5609413'] The proof isn't at all good. Saying something is unrealistic because it is like a real card is simply stupid. Again, the arguments against it are like saying Synchro's and XYZ's were unrealistic when they first came out. [/quote] "This goes against an already implemented mechanic because this hasn't been used before." Also, what does a Dragon Cannon have to do with this? Also, an effect that activates in the Graveyard technically moves the card to the top of your Graveyard anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Idon't see how this is unrealistic. It's not more unrealistic than Red Nova Dragon or Formula Synchron. It's groundbreaking, and actually has an interesting effect. Question, and Anime cards like Anime Eyatos and Carboneddon both would be fun with this. I'm sure there's more to come to make this a full blown set that makes sense overall. Seems like a fun card, though, kinda pointless atm. NEeds more added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I don't even care about the fact this is 'unrealistic' or not. It's just horrible card design. It severely undercuts player-player interaction as you concentrate far too much on your Graveyard, and the order of your Graveyard. You will spend a lot of the game just looking at your Graveyard. In tournament terms, it wouldn't be viable because it would just sap up too much of the time in the match time limit. So that's competitive play out of the way. For casual play, simple answer: Who wants to play a card that requires you to record the contents of your Graveyard, with your opponent checking also because of rulings? Magic: The Gathering have strict rules that they stick to when designing cards. This pretty much fails all of them. Disregarding all that, it's just a revivable Plaguespreader Zombie. owait. Plaguespreader Zombie is Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 oh btw, to criticize the actual effect, the last part of the effect is EXCEEDINGLY vague. You need to determine whether the "next" card is from the bottom of the pile or the top and whichever way you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted October 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1320085170' post='5609434'] I don't even care about the fact this is 'unrealistic' or not. It's just horrible card design. It severely undercuts player-player interaction as you concentrate far too much on your Graveyard, and the order of your Graveyard. You will spend a lot of the game just looking at your Graveyard. In tournament terms, it wouldn't be viable because it would just sap up too much of the time in the match time limit. So that's competitive play out of the way. For casual play, simple answer: Who wants to play a card that requires you to record the contents of your Graveyard, with your opponent checking also because of rulings? Magic: The Gathering have strict rules that they stick to when designing cards. This pretty much fails all of them. Disregarding all that, it's just a revivable Plaguespreader Zombie. owait. Plaguespreader Zombie is Limited. [/quote] It's really not that hard to keep track of...hell, I'm already keeping track of my graveyard by memory. It's not a hard concept at all. You just have to be a little smart when running them. [quote name='Nu-13' timestamp='1320085421' post='5609440'] oh btw, to criticize the actual effect, the last part of the effect is EXCEEDINGLY vague. You need to determine whether the "next" card is from the bottom of the pile or the top and whichever way you go. [/quote] See, that's what I want to see from posts. I just need help on wording and such right now. Maybe "You can Banish the first "E-Razer" monster under this card" ..? Wording is new...but fun. As for the plague ability...yea, I'll have to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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