Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322417184' post='5669690'] The government shouldn't tell people what to do to themselves. Especially a drug which is relatively harmless. [/quote] The first sentence I agree with.... However just because a certain drug is relatively hamrless doesn't mean it does not have its own share of side effects... Alcohol should be banned just like weed however if they want to make pot illegal... Truthfully I find all drugs and medicine to be foolish properties but this is coming from a guy who does not have a reason to try any... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 If you're crafting your argument on what you were taught in elementary school, then your entire argument is flawed. Elementary school anti drug programs are basically "IF YOU TAKE ANY DRUG YOU WILL DIE NO MATTER WHAT DON'T DO IT MAN DON'T DO IIIIIIIIT." The truth is, there really [i]is [/i]no valid reason for weed to remain illegal. If you don't like the drug, you're not obligated to use it. Don't make other people obligated not to use it. It's the same reason with any huge dispute. Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Don't like guns? Don't own one. If you don't like drugs, don't do them. It's fine if you don't, just don't try to tell other people they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322418126' post='5669717'] If you're crafting your argument on what you were taught in elementary school, then your entire argument is flawed. Elementary school anti drug programs are basically "IF YOU TAKE ANY DRUG YOU WILL DIE NO MATTER WHAT DON'T DO IT MAN DON'T DO IIIIIIIIT." The truth is, there really [i]is [/i]no valid reason for weed to remain illegal. If you don't like the drug, you're not obligated to use it. Don't make other people obligated not to use it. It's the same reason with any huge dispute. Don't like gay marriage? Don't have one. Don't like abortions? Don't get one. Don't like guns? Don't own one. If you don't like drugs, don't do them. It's fine if you don't, just don't try to tell other people they can't. [/quote] You misunderstand my argument... I never said weed should be illegal in fact I said it should be legal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322417184' post='5669690'] You're using retarded logic to try to distract from the point. Weed being not as bad as alcohol or cigarettes is not a valid reason on it's own to be legal. However, you have yet to state a valid reason why pot should remain illegal and alcohol shouldn't be banned. The government shouldn't tell people what to do to themselves. Especially a drug which is relatively harmless. [/quote] I actually think alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal, if I had my way. As for your last sentence, I'll quote from Columbia University's website. [i]"In 2001, almost 40,000 high school seniors in the United States reported that they got into car accidents while driving high. In another study, 33 percent of people pulled over for reckless driving tested positive for mariiuana use."[/i] I don't want this to be legalized and then get killed by one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322419291' post='5669747'] I actually think alcohol and cigarettes should be illegal, if I had my way.. [/quote] I hear that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I also think that Weed has almost no chance of being legal, America is slowly getting rid of cigarettes anyway. I suppose the government doesn't want to try and touch alcohol again or are saving it for last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322419291' post='5669747'] As for your last sentence, I'll quote from Columbia University's website. [i]"In 2001, almost 40,000 high school seniors in the United States reported that they got into car accidents while driving high. In another study, 33 percent of people pulled over for reckless driving tested positive for mariiuana use."[/i] I don't want this to be legalized and then get killed by one. [/quote] Alcohol is legal, and that causes way more car accidents. Isn't it legal? And that's why you don't act stupid over smoking, as previously mentioned. It's all about a moral standpoint of it. Who knows, maybe there should be an age restriction on it. I'd be fine with that, but blatantly saying "It should be illegal because it kills people sometimes" isn't really convince, especially because that argument hasn't helped out the ban of alcohol at all. Put it this way- you are a good person, you help people a lot, you get decent grades, etc., you just don't have a lot of friends. Your friend is a delinquent, has no interest in kindness, has horrible grades, and a ton of friends. You both get caught for murder. Since a lot of people are blind as to what kind of person you really are and think you're just a murderer, you get sentenced to death. Your friend, however, is really popular, so he goes free even though he committed the same exact crime. The horrible delinquent friend is alcohol, and you are marijuana. Alcohol doesn't help a thing, and it's highly addictive. Why is it legal? People feel they can't live without it. The only practical use of alcohol is to clean out wounds. Weed, on the other hand, does help people. It clears their head, lets them think about things, and just feels good. Why is it illegal? People are blind to what it's really like and just assumes it's bad based on what they're told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 You said earlier that "weed isn't as bad as X" isn't a good argument, yet went right back to it here. =/ As for the age limit comment. [i]"In the 1970s, Alaska legalized the drug—only to recriminalize it in 1990 after Alaskan teen marijuana use jumped to twice the national average."[/i] And I'm not one of those who just stubbornly thinks that it's wrong because its illegal, I find it wrong because of studies finding conflicting evidence time after time. Continuing to bring up alcohol and tobacco doesn't make me change my mind, because I know that they are probably more dangerous. However, it is more difficult to take something away than to keep it away. If everyone could smoke or drink in their homes only then I could care less, but I don't trust people enough. If it's legalized it would lead to more road accidents, if nothing else. That alone is reason enough for me to deny citizens of a "feel good" substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 The reason alcohol isn't illegal is because every single damn politician drinks it. It's completely endorsed by the media and the government. You never responded to my other parallel. Should trans fats be criminalized? They have no practical use other than to make things taste good and are extremely unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322423841' post='5669896'] The reason alcohol isn't illegal is because every single damn politician drinks it. [/quote] Actually it's because last time they tried to make it illegal it failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322423841' post='5669896'] You never responded to my other parallel. Should trans fats be criminalized? They have no practical use other than to make things taste good and are extremely unhealthy. [/quote] He responded to that when he said "it is more difficult to take something away than to keep it away." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322354064' post='5668129'] Apparently masturbation relieves stress... Just sayin... [/quote] but only people who watch porn and are losers with no gf/bf masturbate. and im not sayin that cool people smoke, and i dont smoke or masturbate or do drugs. bad drugs are bad, and good drugs are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='I-dreezyAFG' timestamp='1322425355' post='5669954'] but only people who watch porn and are losers with no gf/bf masturbate. [/quote] Allow me to disagree with that... Consequences that can be produced from consensual sex... -Sexually Transmitted Diseases -Opposing partner accidentally getting pregnant Consequences of masturbation -Clean up People who masturbate are not losers in fact they are more logical then those who do have sex... And there is nothing wrong with porn... Don't come in here with that bullsh*t logic that people who masturbate are losers with no GF or BF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='I-dreezyAFG' timestamp='1322425355' post='5669954'] but only people who watch porn and are losers with no gf/bf masturbate. [/quote] [spoiler no]http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/masturbation-guide [i]"Masturbation is a very common behavior, even among people who have sexual relations with a partner. In one national study, 95% of males and 89% of females reported that they have masturbated."[/i][/spoiler] I don't see how that is a matter related to weed, but w/e. [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322423841' post='5669896'] You never responded to my other parallel. Should trans fats be criminalized? They have no practical use other than to make things taste good and are extremely unhealthy. [/quote] I must have missed it, my bad. I'm really not familiar on the consequences of trans fats, but wasn't the bad effects not known until far later? But as said before, its a lot harder to take something away than to keep it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Fair enough. I'll revert to main argument then. Can you really justify putting someone in prison and taking them away from any family or friends because of something they had in their possession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322442980' post='5671028'] Fair enough. I'll revert to main argument then. Can you really justify putting someone in prison and taking them away from any family or friends because of something they had in their possession? [/quote] No, but can you justify killing somebody because they killed somebody else? Iirc 2 wrongs don't make a right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1322443371' post='5671048'] No, but can you justify killing somebody because they killed somebody else? [/quote] Um, no? I'm saying imprisonment for having drugs is extreme overkill. If you take the relativity route and say, "Just because something worse is out there doesn't mean we should justify this," then we might as well use the death penalty for littering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322442980' post='5671028'] Fair enough. I'll revert to main argument then. Can you really justify putting someone in prison and taking them away from any family or friends because of something they had in their possession? [/quote] That's what I don't agree with. The time we lock people up for carrying even a little weed is stupid. If you take it away and put them in jail for a week or a month would be the same results as now, imo. They would lose their job, be without product, and probably lose customers. However, jails maybe furthered filled if (like Alaska) teen usage skyrockets, and the amount of people who do weed and drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322443442' post='5671051'] That's what I don't agree with. The time we lock people up for carrying even a little weed is stupid. [/quote] How long is it? I don't know that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's a stupidly long time if they actually decide to. A lot of judges are lenient about it, but they have the right to lock up you up for a good number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Eh, guess I'll back out then since I missed that part of the punishment. I still don't think we should "Justify" anything, just compare it to the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 But weed isn't even that bad. There's no reason it should be illegal in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Twilight Sparkle' timestamp='1322443516' post='5671053'] How long is it? I don't know that part. [/quote] I think it depends on the state now, but I'm pretty sure possession of weed is a felony which is at least a year and a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322443855' post='5671090'] I think it depends on the state now, but I'm pretty sure possession of weed is a felony which is at least a year and a day. [/quote] Except in California... In California Weed is legal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322443902' post='5671096'] Except in California... In California Weed is legal... [/quote] I'm pretty sure that's just for pharmaceutical purposes. Edit: I stand corrected. Do you see any serious problems in Cali? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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