Tentacruel Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 And these guys =3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3WJX1cIuY4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 What is even the POINT of this?!?!? Sometimes wish I lived somewhere else X( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dr Professor Spaz Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [quote name='~ GMK ~' timestamp='1322964753' post='5684536'] What is even the POINT of this?!?!? Sometimes wish I lived somewhere else X( [/quote] For me, that's all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322961898' post='5684411'] Hmmmmmmmmm Sweden? [/quote] We have some of the most ignorant politicians this side of conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [quote name='Clear Vice Dragon' timestamp='1323012559' post='5685420'] We have some of the most ignorant politicians this side of conservatives. [/quote] Meaning what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1323025080' post='5685935'] Meaning what exactly? [/quote] Our politicians are ignorant. Conservative politicians are mostly ignorant. It ain't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [quote name='Clear Vice Dragon' timestamp='1323031826' post='5686459'] Our politicians are ignorant. Conservative politicians are mostly ignorant. It ain't rocket science. [/quote] Thank you for living on this earth... I quite agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 For a few weeks or so, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The first moment I smell something fishy should this be passed, I'm getting my ass to Canada. That or join Delta Green. Majestic 12 must be behi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If this law goes into effect i'm going to sue the United States Congress all the way up to the Supreme Court They'd have to be completely retarded to let this slide DON'T WORRY YET GUISE, WE HAVE THIS SCRAP OF PAPER WRITTEN BY DEAD GUYS TO SAVE ME FROM IMMINENT DOOM No, but seriously I will appeal all the way up until the supreme court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 All those who think this law is bad. Go read over the damn law itself, don't take the page at how it sums up the law. It completely reads it WRONG. And you're the reason people want to leave the United States, you can't even read basic legal jargon let alone actually check source pages (and when the site uses a freaking .GOV page you can guarantee the quality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1323136344' post='5689739'] And [b]you're the reason people want to leave[/b] the United States, you [b]can't even read basic legal jargon[/b] let alone actually check source pages (and when the site uses a freaking .GOV page you can guarantee the quality). [/quote] Somehow I doubt that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1323141749' post='5689988'] Somehow I doubt that... [/quote] Oh let me vent and call them on their relentless name calling. I still stand by my point and say that those who are against this have not read the actual bill itself :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322945248' post='5683758'] Actually, that might be a good idea. Although it may be a bit too paranoid, being a Muslim would make you an easy target for racial/religious profiling. [/quote] that's what i was implying =/ but maybe that sad emoticon would imply otherwise...[quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322954965' post='5684138'] Canada actually sounds nice. I've heard their health-care is good. [/quote] FREE health care, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Canada's healthcare system is actually slowly collapsing, but that's a story for another thread. In any event, Icy is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote name='I-dreezyAFG' timestamp='1323214707' post='5691504'] FREE health care, actually. [/quote] Things are suddenly free if they're paid for in the form of a tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1323217718' post='5691640'] Things are suddenly free if they're paid for in the form of a tax? [/quote] And much higher taxes than most of the US (from what I hear) at that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 You guys are all idiots. At least read over [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012%22"]the damn Wikipedia article.[/url] The bill was passed to detain terrorism suspects on American soil. It's keeping you safe. If you're a strawman political enough to really think that the government's going to use this to IMPRISON JO0!!1, then leave the country. We don't need Chicken Littles scrambling everywhere. >:I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Because there definitely isn't a judicial system to fairly try individuals suspect of terrorist activity. Guantanamo was/is protested for the same reasons - no fair trial, no chance to defend themselves, and little hope of escape. A similar tactic was used during WW2 against Japanese citizens for fear of dissent. Though cases will be much smaller and less obvious examples of ethnic discrimination, Middle Easterners with contrary beliefs will likely suffer a few unjust arrests. That was happening even before, only now it will be more legally-approved(whether the bill goes against constitutional rights or not). This won't be used to purge the country and start the Obama Youth regime, or whatever people here panicked over, but it's a clear centralizing, power-grabbing violation of rights that's pretty sickening to watch pass through the political system so easily. Way to make the tinfoil hatters posting before look bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1323231949' post='5692491'] Because there definitely isn't a judicial system to fairly try individuals suspect of terrorist activity. Guantanamo was/is protested for the same reasons - [b]no fair trial, no chance to defend themselves[/b], and little hope of escape. A similar tactic was used during WW2 against Japanese citizens for fear of dissent. Though cases will be much smaller and less obvious examples of ethnic discrimination, Middle Easterners with contrary beliefs [b]will likely suffer a few unjust arrests[/b]. That was happening even before, only now it will be more legally-approved(whether the bill goes against constitutional rights or not). This won't be used to purge the country and start the Obama Youth regime, or whatever people here panicked over, but it's a clear centralizing, power-grabbing violation of rights that's pretty sickening to watch pass through the political system so easily. Way to make the tinfoil hatters posting before look bright. [/quote] Anyone suspected of terrorism would be detained With that kind of power there will more than "a few" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I urge people to read Josh's comment. .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 ^I highly urge you to think. [quote name='Itachi V. Remo' timestamp='1323291382' post='5693570'] Anyone suspected of terrorism would be detained With that kind of power there will more than "a few" [/quote] No, larger incidents of arrest will bring about more public backlash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 [CODE] ( Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. [/CODE] So if I'm reading it right, that part already says they need evidence. Check 1 working good. [CODE] (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined-- (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and ( to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. [/CODE] Section B here is a bit iffy, I'll give you that; still relatively checks out. But then we also have the following; in SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY. Subsection B (or whatever it's called). [CODE] ( Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens- (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States. (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States. [/CODE] Again, I ask. How does this apply to any degree most of you appear to be saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 [url="http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-december-7-2011-ralph-fiennes"]http://www.thedailys...1-ralph-fiennes[/url] This explains it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1323308102' post='5694349'] ^I highly urge you to think. [/quote] Lol, f*** off. ;D I did think, which is why I said it. Josh has extremely valid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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