Wall of Revealing Light

[wiithepeople]

[img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/b/bc/WallofRevealingLightDR2-EN-C-UE.jpg[/img]

I don't really need to bother saying what card I like using alongside this.

[-Berserker-]

Elemental HERO Air Neos?

[.Rai]

[quote name='Saikano' timestamp='1323615158' post='5700494']
Elemental HERO Air Neos?
[/quote]

he's referring to the Idiotic Button.

Should be banned, to be honest. Not because it's good, just because it's bad for the game.

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323615430' post='5700498']
Should be banned, to be honest. Not because it's good, just because it's bad for the game.
[/quote]

Ikr, they create so many stupid cards.

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323615430' post='5700498']he's referring to the Idiotic Button.[/quote]

If this is Limited, and next to no one even remotely uses this outside of useless OTKs and immensely awesome Button Decks, then why ban it? Just because it's bad doesn't make it bannable. Sure it has no real use in or out of the meta. And that's why it will permanently stay in the game @1 as far as I'm concerned. And as far as your complaining, it's better to not be so butthurt because of your beliefs. Sure, your opinion is as valid as mine, but how you portray your beliefs to me does come off as being rude and disrespectful. I can always tell you that I would never complain about Brionac being banned, even though it's an amazing card in my book and it should stay, despite so many others don't want it anywhere near the game. But I'm not going to be rude about it. I'd just let it go and look for the next card I can exploit like everyone else. And for me, that's Self-Destruct Button.

tl;dr - I can only say that we agree to disagree.

[.Rai]

[quote name='ケニヨン • ボリンガー' timestamp='1323616136' post='5700513'] If this is Limited, and next to no one even remotely uses this outside of useless OTKs and immensely awesome Button Decks, then why ban it? Just because it's bad doesn't make it bannable. Sure it has no real use in or out of the meta. And that's why it will permanently stay in the game @1 as far as I'm concerned. And as far as your complaining, it's better to not be so butthurt because of your beliefs. Sure, your opinion is as valid as mine, but how you portray your beliefs to me does come off as being rude and disrespectful. I can always tell you that I would never complain about Brionac being banned, even though it's an amazing card in my book and it should stay, despite so many others don't want it anywhere near the game. But I'm not going to be rude about it. I'd just let it go and look for the next card I can exploit like everyone else. And for me, that's Self-Destruct Button. tl;dr - I can only say that we agree to disagree. [/quote]

I didn't even say that ._.

I said it was bad "for the game".

i.e. bad card design.

Wall of Revealing Light promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Self-Destruct Button promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Brionac promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323616408' post='5700520']
[insert card here] promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
[/quote]

That may be true, but there are a lot of cards that promote that same thing in this format's metagame. By following your logic, perhaps they should be banned as well.

So now I'm going to DN and make some more draws on top of the 78 that I have already in the past 11 days.

[.Rai]

[quote name='ケニヨン • ボリンガー' timestamp='1323616731' post='5700523']
That may be true, but there are a lot of cards that promote that same thing in this format's metagame. By following your logic, perhaps they should be banned as well.
[/quote]

yes [/thread]

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[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323616408' post='5700520']
I didn't even say that ._.

I said it was bad "for the game".

i.e. bad card design.

Wall of Revealing Light promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Self-Destruct Button promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Brionac promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
[/quote]

QFT

/thread

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1323618845' post='5700594']
QFT

/thread
[/quote]

QFT = Quote for Thread?

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[quote name='Shard' timestamp='1323618871' post='5700596']
QFT = Quote for Thread?
[/quote]

Not sure if bad joke

Or stupid

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1323619077' post='5700603']
Not sure if bad joke

Or stupid
[/quote]

ofc, I joking.

[SANDAA BORUTO]

OP of course likes to flip this, pay 7000, then flip Loltroll Button.

This card is chain-able, and can force a draw with Self-Destruct Button. If iTrolluIn2aDraw.dek is ever competitive, THEN this card will go to 0.

[Kingdom Xathers]

[quote name='Like The Wind' timestamp='1323656600' post='5701690']
This card is chain-able, and can force a draw with Self-Destruct Button. If iTrolluIn2aDraw.dek is ever competitive, THEN this card will go to 0.
[/quote]

^This. Although, why not put both @0, in that case? Card's that are made to cause a draw takes the fun out of a duel (and by that, I mean that using Tremendous Fire to end a duel in a Draw is hilarious/equally stupid).

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Evidently some people tend to forget that Yugioh is a well designed game for player-player interaction. They feel the need to exploit the unreliable in a way that removes what gives Yugioh a significant edge over a lot of other TCGs.

[Greiga]

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1323616408' post='5700520']Wall of Revealing Light promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Self-Destruct Button promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
Brionac promotes a lack of player-player interaction. Therefore, it should be banned.
[/quote]

Upstart Goblin, Into the Void, every other +0 draw card, Vanilla monsters. All have little to no player-player interaction, at least when I use them.

I see your argument, and it sucks. And Brio does have some player-player interaction built in. It should be banned because it promotes stupid OTKs with Fableds and HEROs and other stuff.

[Kūgo_Ginjō]

Annoying card in WC games....although I did put one in a fairy I made and I paid like 7,000 LP for the lulz. Turns out I regained like 10,000 LP and he never breached my wall of light

[wiithepeople]

[quote name='Kūgo_Ginjō' timestamp='1323660354' post='5701820']
Annoying card in WC games....although I did put one in a fairy I made and I paid like 7,000 LP for the lulz. Turns out I regained like 10,000 LP and he never breached my wall of light
[/quote]

Not bad, though I'm not sure what year that WC of yours is.

Up to 80 draws now in DN within the 3 weeks of using SDBs on my new account and this helps quite a lot.

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[quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1323659840' post='5701797']
Upstart Goblin, Into the Void, every other +0 draw card, Vanilla monsters. All have little to no player-player interaction, at least when I use them.

I see your argument, and it sucks. And Brio does have some player-player interaction built in. It should be banned because it promotes stupid OTKs with Fableds and HEROs and other stuff.
[/quote]

The cards you mentioned (Except Vanillas) are all generally geared towards an F/OTK deck. Which are both bad for the game, so what allows them to OTK should be banned. i.e. Exodia, Chain Material, etc.

[.Rai]

[quote name='GreigaBeastDS' timestamp='1323659840' post='5701797']
Upstart Goblin, Into the Void, every other +0 draw card, Vanilla monsters. All have little to no player-player interaction, at least when I use them.

I see your argument, and it sucks. And Brio does have some player-player interaction built in. It should be banned because it promotes stupid OTKs with Fableds and HEROs and other stuff.
[/quote]

That doesn't matter. Player-player interaction isn't the only reason why things should be banned. They just are bad design in general for various other reasons. Those cards are less related to player-player interaction. Upstart is bad design because it's just being used for FTKs that really shouldn't exist. In decks that don't have the consistency, those decks should really exist either because decks should be made with the whole game in mind. Konami should have basically printed specific draw, with subtle changes. Would have been a better choice. FTKs would be less viable. Vanilla monsters were Konami's attempt at putting flavour into the game. However, they failed miserably, and that's why. They do have player-player interaction because of the attempts at either player figuring out the other's deck based on that. Unfortunately once again, because of Rabbit and certain Xyzs, it can become obvious. So, that's not the vanilla monsters' fault. It's Rescue Rabbit's. And, to be honest, that's only because Konami's a business.

and lol.

An OTK does promote a lack of player-player interaction :S



[quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1323657488' post='5701721']
Evidently some people tend to forget that Yugioh is a well designed game for player-player interaction. They feel the need to exploit the unreliable in a way that removes what gives Yugioh a significant edge over a lot of other TCGs.
[/quote]

Oh, and this. Half the cards are pretty good in terms of design. The only problem is the interaction between cards that happens. Konami are probably one of the best TCGs in terms of individual design. Less so into reacting against any exploitations that happen in the game unfortunately by printing certain cards to combat that. And those problems are mainly because of the playerbase really.