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[quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1323808992' post='5704435']
now that's really easy to special summon this

and it's really good anti-synchro and anti-xyz material

makes them really easy to kill off and everything

it's a shame you didn't give it an effect while it's on the field though, that would have made it better
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I don't really think it needs it, it can already effectively get rid of a powerful/annoying monster.

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[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324062591' post='5711057']
Broken.

What on earth would possess you to make a +2?
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oh wow -__-
And how exactly is this +2? Explain it to me.

Also fyi, Gorz is a +2.
And this is a Nomi, Gorz isn't.

you're really not proving anything here.

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324071058' post='5711345']
oh wow -__-
And how exactly is this +2? Explain it to me.

Also fyi, Gorz is a +2.
And this is a Nomi, Gorz isn't.

you're really not proving anything here.
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Equip to opponent's monster > Destroy by battle (+1)
Special Summon (+2)

You can't compare to Gorz. Gorz is Limited, and is a bad comparison ._.

Also, who even Normal Summons Gorz outside of desperate situations?

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[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324071206' post='5711350']
Equip to opponent's monster > Destroy by battle (+1)
Special Summon (+2)

You can't compare to Gorz. Gorz is Limited, and is a bad comparison ._.

Also, who even Normal Summons Gorz outside of desperate situations?
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uh..when it's equipped to a monster you need ANOTHER monster to attack with in order to destroy that monster. So it's not a +1 there.
And it only special summons itself, it doesn't swarm, it doesn't make you draw cards, it doesn't let you add cards, it doesn't do anything else -____-
it's a +0.

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324071805' post='5711363']
uh..when it's equipped to a monster you need ANOTHER monster to attack with in order to destroy that monster. So it's not a +1 there.
And it only special summons itself, it doesn't swarm, it doesn't make you draw cards, it doesn't let you add cards, it doesn't do anything else -____-
it's a +0.
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I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue here.

It's still broken, regardless of advantage.

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[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324071890' post='5711364']
I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue here.

It's still broken, regardless of advantage.
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I'm saying you don't know what a +n means.

And no one's raised a SINGLE point why this may be broken so...nope.

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324072186' post='5711376']
And no one's raised a SINGLE point why this may be broken so...nope.
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Dude, are you blind or something? So what if you require another monster out for this to work? Getting a monster on the field isn't exactly rocket science, especially when any monster with 100+ ATK will allow you to get this on the field. If you still can't figure out, it means 2600+ ATK monsters out from nowhere are just bad card design.

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324072186' post='5711376']
I'm saying you don't know what a +n means.

And no one's raised a SINGLE point why this may be broken so...nope.
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I just said why it was broken.

It instantly destroys stuff providing you have a monster. As if that's difficult to do ._.

Secondly, uhh, thanks for the free 2600 beater once I destroyed your monster.

And what do you think a +n means?

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[quote name='Æther Royce' timestamp='1324072509' post='5711386']
Dude, are you blind or something? So what if you require another monster out for this to work? Getting a monster on the field isn't exactly rocket science, especially when any monster with 100+ ATK will allow you to get this on the field. If you still can't figure out, it means 2600+ ATK monsters out from nowhere are just bad card design.
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> Implying Gorz or every instant beatstick "out of nowhere" is bad card design.
> This can be MST'd/ Heavy Storm'd/ any generic spell destruction would do etc. even a Book of moon on the equipped monster would destroy mine.
> THIS IS A NOMI
> To even SS it you need to destroy a monster your opponent controls, and that can be easily stopped.

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324072804' post='5711395']
I just said why it was broken.

It instantly destroys stuff providing you have a monster. As if that's difficult to do ._.

Secondly, uhh, thanks for the free 2600 beater once I destroyed your monster.

And what do you think a +n means?
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it doesn't do anything "instantly"
it requires AN ATTACK. Which, wait...NO WAY!! IT CAN BE COUNTERED?!??!
Yeah. As weird as it sounds, it can.

And since when is a 2600 ATK Nomi that once SS'd is basically a Normal Monster- a big deal?

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324073161' post='5711409']
it doesn't do anything "instantly"
it requires AN ATTACK. Which, wait...NO WAY!! IT CAN BE COUNTERED?!??!
Yeah. As weird as it sounds, it can.

And since when is a 2600 ATK Nomi that once SS'd is basically a Normal Monster- a big deal?
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Name me how many cards that are good this format that would allow you to counter an opponent's attack [i]properly[/i] and I'll let you off. If not, you get a surprise, mmkay?

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[quote name='Gandorator' timestamp='1324073161' post='5711409']
> Implying Gorz or every instant beatstick "out of nowhere" is bad card design.
> This can be MST'd/ Heavy Storm'd/ any generic spell destruction would do etc. even a Book of moon on the equipped monster would destroy mine.
> THIS IS A NOMI
> To even SS it you need to destroy a monster your opponent controls, and that can be easily stopped.



it doesn't do anything "instantly"
it requires AN ATTACK. Which, wait...NO WAY!! IT CAN BE COUNTERED?!??!
Yeah. As weird as it sounds, it can.

And since when is a 2600 ATK Nomi that once SS'd is basically a Normal Monster- a big deal?
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I do not actually damn care that this is a nomi. Osiris the Sky Dragon is a nomi in essence, yet it's casually splashed in Agents, Gadgets and Frogs. Your point?

Gorz is bad card design ._. That's one of Konami's worst mistakes they've made. Making Gorz. Why? Because it makes the game full of negative player-player interaction, rather than positive.

ITT: Royal Oppression isn't broken because it can be MST'd/Heavy Storm'd.

Because it lets Battle Fader run over BLS in approximately 1 turn. That's why it's broken.

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Also, apparently stuff like Kristya are balanced because they can be stopped by generic removal.

How easily they can be countered is not an excuse to make a broken card for the sake of it.

Neither is comparing to Gorz ._. I'm actually really surprised about how you compare this to Gorz. This is completely unlike Gorz. This is quicker, guaranteed to run stuff over, and can function as a Fiendish Chain too.

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[quote name='-Tsubaki-' timestamp='1324073250' post='5711414']
Name me how many cards that are good this format that would allow you to counter an opponent's attack [i]properly[/i] and I'll let you off. If not, you get a surprise, mmkay?
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Do I give a damn about this format? Nope.
Am I making cards to go with this format alone? Hahahahahah no.

But okay, here you go:

Mirror Force
Dimensional Prison
Battle Fader
Book of moon
etc etc.

[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1324073417' post='5711420']
I do not actually damn care that this is a nomi. Osiris the Sky Dragon is a nomi in essence, yet it's casually splashed in Agents, Gadgets and Frogs. Your point?

Gorz is bad card design ._. That's one of Konami's worst mistakes they've made. Making Gorz. Why? Because it makes the game full of negative player-player interaction, rather than positive.

ITT: Royal Oppression isn't broken because it can be MST'd/Heavy Storm'd.

Because it lets Battle Fader run over BLS in approximately 1 turn. That's why it's broken.
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My point? Nomis are harder to SS than non-nomi monsters.....get it?

Gorz is bad card design? Well, this is Realistic Cards, not "Good card design cards according to random forum users"
It doesn't make my card unrealistic

your royal oppression example was so seriously stupid. Is Royal Oppression a monster that can be MST'd buddy?

Also BLS can be run over by so many things already I have no idea why you'd even give him as an example...

ESPECIALLY after saying my card is bad card design...BLS says hello

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