Kingdom Xathers Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1324505907' post='5721742'] The card is stupid because it gives Dragons a foolish on crack. That alone makes it banworthy as Painful Choice is banned because it's stupid and and a foolish on crack. [/quote] Just ban FGD, then. That way, the only Fusion Monster Dragons can abuse this with is Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon. ... besides, Dragons have other ways to abuse the Graveyard (i.e., Montage Dragon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legendary Dragon Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 I did the Future Quasar combo. It was the most retarded I've ever done. I feel kinda bad for doing it actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Guys, to be honest this shouldn't get banned. The only reason Hopeless is STILL alive as a deck is this card. Even with Lightpulsar, and the fact over a week has passed since the SD's release, they've never topped anything yet. Compare this to Inzektors, where various tournaments were owned by them in the first 3 days after their release. Dragons aren't top-tier, and this is their only hope. This should stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1324536177' post='5722810'] Guys, to be honest this shouldn't get banned. The only reason Hopeless is STILL alive as a deck is this card. Even with Lightpulsar, and the fact over a week has passed since the SD's release, they've never topped anything yet. Compare this to Inzektors, where various tournaments were owned by them in the first 3 days after their release. Dragons aren't top-tier, and this is their only hope. This should stay. [/quote] "There exists a deck that is not currently dominating every tournament and relies on this card" is not an argument against a card being banworthy. [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/170712-broken-card-x-should-not-be-banned-because/"]Rule 2[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberCruncher Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1324537668' post='5722831'] "There exists a deck that is not currently dominating every tournament and relies on this card" is not an argument against a card being banworthy. [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/170712-broken-card-x-should-not-be-banned-because/"]Rule 2[/url]. [/quote] For further examples, see Mind Master, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and Royal Oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1324538058' post='5722837'] For further examples, see Mind Master, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and Royal Oppression. [/quote] Oppression and Restrict were meta cards ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='NumberCruncher' timestamp='1324538058' post='5722837'] For further examples, see Mind Master, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and Royal Oppression. [/quote] Mind Master enabled a very constinent FTK and allowed for plethora of crazy plays. Restrict and Oppression were widely used in meta, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted December 22, 2011 Report Share Posted December 22, 2011 Tuning/Rota/Junk Synchron/Allure of Darkness + Foolish Burial/Armageddon Knight/Dark Grepher/Rota/Summoner Monk/Lavalval Chain = Future Fusion = 3 Jinzo's .dek There are so many applications to this card with all of the Omni Heroes, Chimeratech Overdragon, and Five-Headed Dragon, that this card will eventually get banned sometime down the road. It's one of those cards who just gets better targets as time goes on. Even now, Gem-Knights will be able to abuse this after Gem-Knight Master Dai's release. Though it may or may not get banned in March, one cannot deny that it is a broken card and should be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiix Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 I have no problem with this card it is limited to one, which is appropriate you can MST it you can Heavy it and the monster it summons gets killed. Its not too op. If your stupid enough to run a deck without any way to kill spells I can see why this is a card to be feared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='Tomiix' timestamp='1325143526' post='5736441'] I have no problem with this card it is limited to one, which is appropriate you can MST it you can Heavy it and the monster it summons gets killed. Its not too op. If your stupid enough to run a deck without any way to kill spells I can see why this is a card to be feared. [/quote] This is the darndest things I've seen all day! Congrats, m'boy! It's not broken for being a 2 turn fusion, it's broken for being Foolish Burial xWhatever. If you can't see why this card is broken, you ought not call other people stupid for to running S/T destruction, when it doesn't even HELP against this, hm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiix Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Umm "When this card is removed from the field, destroy that monster, if that monster is destroyed destroy this card" This is what I meant. Someone can have whatever fusion that you can name, and you can just MST that target, and its dead. Also about it being a foolish burial, I can see a problemt there, but I am commenting on the people threating about pulling strong fusions. I understand your fears but there are cards that can lock the grave and you shouldnt worry too much about this, as someone who runs this would have to run fusions for its effect to work, and to have its necessary materials. So many decks that work out of graveyards would not be supported. Damn cc and it cutting off my walls of text, forcing me to edit it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='Tomiix' timestamp='1325144308' post='5736452'] Umm "When this card is removed from the field, destroy that monster, if that monster is destroyed destroy this card" This is what I meant. Someone can have whatever fusion that you can name, and you can just MST that target, and its dead. [/quote] Ummmmm That's my point, as well. The fusion itself is HARDLY EVER USED. I mean, really, how often do you see F.G.D., Gem-Knight Master Dia, or Chimeratech coming from a FUTURE FUSION? Answer: RARELY! S/T destruction does nothing against this, at least, not as far as it being BROKEN is concerned. I mean, really, did you just completely IGNORE my post, m'boy? The point is it has multiple effects that aren't on the card! FuFu1: Send any 1 or 3 Dragons to your Graveyard from your deck, and banish 1 or 2 "Red-Eyes Wyvern" from your deck; Special Summon 1 "Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon" from your deck for each "Wyvern" banished. FuFu2: Send "Gem-Knight Lazuli" and another "Gem-Knight" to your Graveyard. Add 1 Normal or Gemini "Gem-Knight" from your deck to your hand. FuFu3: Send all Machine-type monsters from your deck to the Graveyard. At least 1 monster sent must be "Cyber Dragon" And there are others, too. Got it memorized? Hm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiix Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1325144651' post='5736458'] Ummmmm That's my point, as well. The fusion itself is HARDLY EVER USED. I mean, really, how often do you see F.G.D., Gem-Knight Master Dia, or Chimeratech coming from a FUTURE FUSION? Answer: RARELY! S/T destruction does nothing against this, at least, not as far as it being BROKEN is concerned. I mean, really, did you just completely IGNORE my post, m'boy? The point is it has multiple effects that aren't on the card! FuFu1: Send any 1 or 3 Dragons to your Graveyard from your deck, and banish 1 or 2 "Red-Eyes Wyvern" from your deck; Special Summon 1 "Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon" from your deck for each "Wyvern" banished. FuFu2: Send "Gem-Knight Lazuli" and another "Gem-Knight" to your Graveyard. Add 1 Normal or Gemini "Gem-Knight" from your deck to your hand. FuFu3: Send all Machine-type monsters from your deck to the Graveyard. At least 1 monster sent must be "Cyber Dragon" And there are others, too. Got it memorized? Hm? [/quote] ummm lose the attitude and read my edit. kthanxbyeYou know to make it short, Rule 8 Rule 11 Rule 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='Tomiix' timestamp='1325144308' post='5736452'] Umm "When this card is removed from the field, destroy that monster, if that monster is destroyed destroy this card" This is what I meant. Someone can have whatever fusion that you can name, and you can just MST that target, and its dead. Also about it being a foolish burial, I can see a problemt there, but I am commenting on the people threating about pulling strong fusions. I understand your fears but there are cards that can lock the grave and you shouldnt worry too much about this, as someone who runs this would have to run fusions for its effect to work, and to have its necessary materials. So many decks that work out of graveyards would not be supported. Damn cc and it cutting off my walls of text, forcing me to edit it in. [/quote] [quote name='Tomiix' timestamp='1325144806' post='5736461'] ummm lose the attitude and read my edit. kthanxbye You know to make it short, Rule 8 Rule 11 Rule 12 [/quote] Oh, I see. If you think fitting in a SINGLE FUSION hampers the Extra Deck with any deck for this, are you MAD? It's a large foolish burial, and saying "Grave control exists" is like saying Shi En/Quasar are bad because Solemn Warning exists, but that's not true, now is it? This card is broken beyond belief, and deserves the banhammer. Sadly, it avoids it, because the decks it help just don't top! But, it is broken. It's broken like BLS is broken- In the LOLTOPDECK4GAEM sense. The card is comparable to a more specific Painful Choice, which is easily one of the most broken cards in the game. It's sad that things like this get to run free, despite their inherent brokenness. I'm sorry, these rules are found... where? I only see up to 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiix Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Crabhelmets forum post Card X should be banned because, he links it in his post edit earlier on, and I do see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 FuFu will only be banned if it sets up consistent OTKs that banning another card won't stop. Just because it's powerful doesn't mean it will be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 ... A. Crab is a She B. That was WHAT NOT TO DO, not WHAT TO DO. Yet, you're using them as points? Huh? o.o OT: Ban it, it's unhealthy even at 1. Something needs to top with it so it dies. [quote name='Wraith' timestamp='1325145739' post='5736477'] FuFu will only be banned if it sets up consistent OTKs that banning another card won't stop. Just because it's powerful doesn't mean it will be banned. [/quote] It deserves the banhammer either way, whether it will be or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 What's the argument again? It should be banned because it makes certain decks playable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 It's super foolish burial, generally sending 3-5. Also, thins the deck. Cards like Lazuli, Red-Eyes Wyvern/REDRUM, and Overload Fusion abuse it, and all use FuFu. It is essentially OTK fuel on Steroids. If a deck is playable because of a broken ass card, such as FuFu, deck deserves to die. Rekindling deserves attention as well, but they aren't consistent enough to get it =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1325146278' post='5736486']If a deck is playable because of a broken ass card, such as FuFu, deck deserves to die.[/quote] Disaster Dragons techically CAN fight without FuFu, they just get pretty worse cause they lose a major lucksack method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomiix Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Lol blind ycm kid is blind Anyway, your point is valid, you just don't need to be a jerk about it. I use this card personally though, but only to pull cyber end dragon. (since i down own chimertech) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Ryan solves YGO problems, part 2. 1. Ban this. 2. Make specific Future Fusions for Gem-Knights, Dragons and Machines, with a once-per-duel restriction and something that restricts further abuse. (eg cannot special summon or add anything else to hand that turn?) 3. YGO is now a little bit healthier. 4. Eat all your cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='RyanAtlus' timestamp='1325194910' post='5737462'] Ryan solves YGO problems, part 2. 1. Ban this. 2. Make specific Future Fusions for HEROES 3. YGO is now a little bit healthier. 4. You still eat all your cards. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanAtlus Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 [quote name='-Venser el Transeúnte-' timestamp='1325195149' post='5737467'] [/quote] HerOES already have Miracle Fusion, Fusion Gate and Parallel World Fusion. They'll still be viable if Fufu got banned and got no replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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