Oh, how far we've come.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

In all honesty Cake-san, you made the mistake of leaving Japan to visit the United States

So jokes on you

[Fusion X. Denver]

I didn't think much of this issue until my sister started being a b*tch (at least, more than usual).
She's obsessed with Keeping Up with the Kardashians and all the women on there are poor role models (I have seen them and I know what I'm talking about when I say these people are bad and should feel bad).
She's picked up their mannerisms, being blunt, making snide comments, acting crudely, and all this around family, when she used to know better beforehand.
You could say my sister's the source of the problem in that she knows the show is trash and imitates it regardless, but I absolutely can back the claim that these types of shows have a negative influence over our generation.

[Desu the Blue Nerd]

[color=#0000cd]Okay, I'll start with this...[/color]

[color=#0000cd]People that are saying Media has no or little effect on kids seriously need to shut up for a moment. Mostly Halu though. Rai actually makes a few good points and deserves his spot here is this thread. Media is a major social institution (basically something we all look to to influence us) in all of our lives. Saying that it's just those damn kids is ridiculous and you should smack yourself with a fish for that. Seriously, people. We've been taking in this stuff since early in our lives. Even if it was just something like the Lion King we've been influenced in some way. How many people here have a favorite anime character that they aspire to be a bit more like and in some ways copy them? It's basically the same for that minority that we despise so much. Yeah, I said minority. That word has popped up a few times so I'm using it. Like the "douchebag" minority we are also a minority. Hell, we're an even smaller one. Don't pretend like we aren't. Well, subculture may be a more accurate term. *Shrugs.* My sociology grade isn't that great. Er, anyway...*cough cough.* [/color]

[color=#0000cd]At our age we care more about being apart of the in group so of course we're going to look to media, where all coolness for the general public seems to be located, to find out how we should act to gain more friends and popularity. Congrats, bro. You managed to ignore some sh*tty messages that will keep you from acting like a douchebag. Or at least you may pretend like you haven't been effected by sh*tty messages and turned into a douchebag. *Coughhalucough.*[/color]

[color=#0000cd]tl:dr Media has been with us since a young age. Of course it's going to effect us even until now and it's silly to pretend like it doesn't. We gained some values (or at least had them reinforced) from Lion King. We're going to learn what's 'cool' on MTV. And we're going to learn how to not have our children not become f*cked up from 16 and Pregnant (everything they did, do the opposite). So yeah, sure kids should have some more sense but to expect all kids in the word to have enough to ignore something they're surronded with even more than most other social institutions deserves a good ol' Desu home run. And for those who don't know what that is, I grab an baseball bat and hit you over the head...really...really hard. [/color][color=#2f4f4f]<----Didn't really make it that much shorter...[/color]

[color=#0000cd]Next! Yeah, we seem to be pretty f*cked up at the moment. A f*cked up generation with a f*cked up future. F*ck yeah...oh wait...that's not good...f*ck! [/color][color=#2f4f4f]<-----I learned that word on TV. Ain't I cool? >: D[/color]

[color=#0000cd]Unfortunately for me, my brother is just an all around douchebag who's into all the the douchebaggy stuff. Oh, and Justin beiber and anything Disney Related. So yeah...I actually live with one of those types. And his friends are those types...yeah, it's not very fun...and he's a complete and utter dumbass too. YOU'RE A FRESHMAN! WHY DO I HAVE TO SOLVE 9x4 FOR YOU?! [/color]

[color=#0000cd]I think there were some other things I was going to say but I completely forgot them. Oh well. NEXT PERSON![/color]

[color=#0000cd]tl;:dr (Another one after I already said next person :/ ) Yeah, the media has done and f*cked us up a bit.[/color]

[color=#0000cd]P.S. So this is what typing up a semi-serious and long comment is like...[/color]

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Fusion X. Denver' timestamp='1324882133' post='5729783']
I didn't think much of this issue until my sister started being a b*tch (at least, more than usual).
She's obsessed with Keeping Up with the Kardashians and all the women on there are poor role models (I have seen them and I know what I'm talking about when I say these people are bad and should feel bad).
She's picked up their mannerisms, being blunt, making snide comments, acting crudely, and all this around family, when she used to know better beforehand.
You could say my sister's the source of the problem in that she knows the show is trash and imitates it regardless, but I absolutely can back the claim that these types of shows have a negative influence over our generation.
[/quote]

My sister is obsessed with the same stuff your sister is obsessed with. She acts like that toward me too.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

To be honest sometimes I get influenced by certain movies. Some of them just inspire me in a certain way.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

[quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1324922021' post='5730227']
To be honest sometimes I get influenced by certain movies. Some of them just inspire me in a certain way.
[/quote]
Pirates of the Caribbean is a good example

[BehindTheMask]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1324690626' post='5726283']
My family and I are in America for the holidays, so being in the holiday spirit, we decided to hang around a popular outdoor mall. Many teenagers hang out at this place. Many of them smoking, barely articulate, and wearing T-shirts and shorts in less than 30 degree weather. I noticed that many teenagers have moral standards lower or equivalent to that of a Jersey Shore cast member. This however does not apply to all teenagers. I cannot stress that enough. But why is this happening?

In my opinion: I believe the media is partially to blame. Music and TV have all regressed to a mere nothing, and repetition. Sex, Drugs, Alcohol are a huge factor in media because if in TV a character does something Taboo with with those articles and somehow gets away with it, younger audiences will feel that they can do the same.


What do you think?
[/quote]

I dont see how you can say they have "lower moral standards." Maybe they just dont care about the cold, like myself. I wear a t-shirt during the winter, and although I do have a coat, i dont often wear it. Does that make me have less morals than someone who wears a long sleeve shirt? See below for my other response to what you wrote

[quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1324691279' post='5726312']
I blame Bush.
[/quote]
[quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1324692005' post='5726343']
Don't blame the media. Blame the idiots who get influenced by it.
[/quote]

Both these quotes are ignorant. How can you place blame on bush, then say "blame the idiots who get influenced by it." Either Bush or "the idiots" are to blame, or both, or neither. Secondly, you dont even justify this.

_____

On to the point of the "media." The media is a problem, however, it isnt the whole problem. We live in a society that places high values on "morally lowering values"(If this is the truth). It only makes sense that the media caters to our own interests by serving us what we want. While there is some part of the media that creates the demand for such, there is still a part of the consumer that would want it in the first place.

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1324922958' post='5730253']
Both these quotes are ignorant. How can you place blame on bush, then say "blame the idiots who get influenced by it." Either Bush or "the idiots" are to blame, or both, or neither. Secondly, you dont even justify this.
[/quote]
First of all the "Blame Bush" thing was a joke. It was a parody of how some people Blame Bush for a lot of the crap that goes on in this world. Second it is not the media'sfault. The idiots choose to be influenced by it because they like it so much and want to imitate what they see. That is their fault and it is their misfortune, not the media's.

[BehindTheMask]

[quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1324923238' post='5730272']
First of all the "Blame Bush" thing was a joke. It was a parody of how some people Blame Bush for a lot of the crap that goes on in this world. Second it is not the media'sfault. The idiots choose to be influenced by it because they like it so much and want to imitate what they see. That is their fault and it is their misfortune, not the media's.
[/quote]

supply and demand my friend, do you understand it. If I were to be a seller of apples, and I were to stumble across you, would it be your fault that I market the apples to you? Would it be your fault if I kept on barraging you with information about how delicious these apples were and how amazing these apples are and how much happier you would be? Am I not the catalyst of you buying the apple.

You assume that people have total control of what people think do and say. However, there is simply more than one influence

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1324923567' post='5730285']
If I were to be a seller of apples, and I were to stumble across you, would it be your fault that I market the apples to you? Would it be your fault if I kept on barraging you with information about how delicious these apples were and how amazing these apples are and how much happier you would be? Am I not the catalyst of you buying the apple.

You assume that people have total control of what people think do and say. However, there is simply more than one influence
[/quote]
Would it be my fault that I sereptitiously decided to take one random guy's word on the apples instead of relying on my five sense and inner logic to decipher the true value of the apples your selling? Yes it would. We do have control over it, but we don't think before we act. That is the main problem.

[Christian Exodia]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1324690626' post='5726283']
My family and I are in America for the holidays, so being in the holiday spirit, we decided to hang around a popular outdoor mall. Many teenagers hang out at this place. Many of them smoking, barely articulate, and wearing T-shirts and shorts in less than 30 degree weather. I noticed that many teenagers have moral standards lower or equivalent to that of a Jersey Shore cast member. This however does not apply to all teenagers. I cannot stress that enough. But why is this happening?


In my opinion: I believe the media is partially to blame. Music and TV have all regressed to a mere nothing, and repetition. Sex, Drugs, Alcohol are a huge factor in media because if in TV a character does something Taboo with with those articles and somehow gets away with it, younger audiences will feel that they can do the same.


What do you think?
[/quote]
My god, you have summed up 90% of my complaint on why this is still standard, and mainstream music is mostly crap.

Why must I be alone in a world of impression? Most people grow up around shows like Jersey Shore which make them think having sex right after you meet someone, and you are drunk all night, and work at a normal job for normal pay. Rap, Gangs are awesome, the law can piss off, e.t.c.

Why does media set the standards like guardians? Media is doing everything wrong. It isn't you should all practice bulimia and be f***ing sticks. Rather, eat right, indulge a little, have some meat on your bones, while keeping thin and healthy. And political views should not be trashing on your opponents, rather on saying what you think is right and showing what you will do. Politics should not try to brainwash children into joining a certain single party. All should choose their own views.

I mean, really? America is a country set on the marks of freedom. Complete freedom from all but what is wrong. And the media is trying to put the children in the pound to be like pets. Mindless, little outside freedom, following what the master (Media) thinks should be the standard. And that is stealing freedom, turning us into a country bound for taking over. They know that, from a young age, we are prone to follow command, mostly from parents. If we are not given a harsh time more than in school, then we become soft, curious, and afraid of every little thing, like a puppy. Little puppies, all thin as sticks with no strength and little confidence. This country has turned into a constant fight.

[Desu the Blue Nerd]

[quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1324923238' post='5730272']
First of all the "Blame Bush" thing was a joke. It was a parody of how some people Blame Bush for a lot of the crap that goes on in this world.
[color=#0000cd]It was a bad joke.[/color]
Second it is not the media'sfault. The idiots choose to be influenced by it because they like it so much and want to imitate what they see. That is their fault and it is their misfortune, not the media's.

[color=#0000cd]To this...[/color]
[/quote]
[quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1324922021' post='5730227']
To be honest sometimes I get influenced by certain movies. Some of them just inspire me in a certain way.
[/quote]

[color=#0000cd]Stop contradicting yourself. Or at least why do you call yourself an idiot? But don't pretend like you're any better for how you get influenced by. Clearly you are no better of a person than anybody else and media could easily have influenced you to become the person you are. I kind of doubt your parents raised you telling you that you were God or that the Roman Gods exist. You probably saw it on TV or read t in a book (yes, books count) and thought, "Hey, this sh*t is pretty cool." Or you just conformed to be more liked to one or two people.[/color]
[quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1324923762' post='5730290']
Would it be my fault
[color=#0000cd]Yes. Oh sorry. Let me read the rest first. I usually just think it's all your fault.[/color]
that I sereptitiously decided to take one random guy's word on the apples instead of relying on my five sense
[color=#0000cd]How could you rely on taste?[/color]
and inner logic to decipher the true value of the apples your selling?
[color=#0000cd]They're apples. Apples are delicious.[/color]
Yes it would. We do have control over it, but we don't think before we act. That is the main problem.
[color=#0000cd]We do have control of turning a television on or off. That's it. We don't have complete control over what we see in the split second the TV was on influencing us in some way.[/color]

[color=#0000cd]P.S. You really just need to stop. You aren't very good at this whole arguing thing.[/color]
[/quote]

[Darth Revan of the Sith]

[quote name='Cheetah Blazer' timestamp='1324933258' post='5730568']
My god, you have summed up 90% of my complaint on why this is still standard, and mainstream music is mostly crap.

Why must I be alone in a world of impression? Most people grow up around shows like Jersey Shore which make them think having sex right after you meet someone, and you are drunk all night, and work at a normal job for normal pay. Rap, Gangs are awesome, the law can piss off, e.t.c.

Why does media set the standards like guardians? Media is doing everything wrong. It isn't you should all practice bulimia and be f***ing sticks. Rather, eat right, indulge a little, have some meat on your bones, while keeping thin and healthy. And political views should not be trashing on your opponents, rather on saying what you think is right and showing what you will do. Politics should not try to brainwash children into joining a certain single party. All should choose their own views.

I mean, really? America is a country set on the marks of freedom. Complete freedom from all but what is wrong. And the media is trying to put the children in the pound to be like pets. Mindless, little outside freedom, following what the master (Media) thinks should be the standard. And that is stealing freedom, turning us into a country bound for taking over. They know that, from a young age, we are prone to follow command, mostly from parents. If we are not given a harsh time more than in school, then we become soft, curious, and afraid of every little thing, like a puppy. Little puppies, all thin as sticks with no strength and little confidence. This country has turned into a constant fight.
[/quote]
I disagree completely with this. Althought the media sets standards within its own shows and programs it is ultimately the viewers responsibility on how he/she uses what she has seen or heard or read. If we tell the media what they should be putting on TV then we are obstructing freedom of speech. They are not trying to put kids in the pound rather they are catering to what is popular. People like different things. I know many people don't like the way a person acts and we can all disagree with what is good or not but in hindsight, it is all opinionated. And having sex after first meeting someone is not a bad thing. Unless you are to get HIV or her pregnant then it becomes a problem but if it is safe sex well then there should be no problem. However this is where I would say that morality has gone too far in this generation which is a whole different topic altogether.

[Sunshine Jesse]

there's so much hipster in this topic that it's mind-boggling

You can't blame the media because it panders to its audience, which pick up trends and fads before the media even displays them. It may distort them a bit, but the media is not to blame and thinking it is just because you see what it reflects shows that you really haven't thought that hard on the subject.

it's not unreasonable to say that it spreads these trends, but it certainly doesn't cause them.

[Legend Zero]

Is it sad that I sometimes get good fashion compliments when I dress in a similar (but more subtle) style of an anime character?

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

It's kind of sad that you're subtly dressing like anime characters, yes.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1324948371' post='5730945']
It's kind of sad that you're subtly dressing like anime characters, yes.
[/quote]
Hey, when I see something I'd wear then I don't care where it comes from. However, its none of that crazy overtop stuff. But opinions are opinions man. ;D

[Resident Fascist]

People sometimes question the headband. They no longer question it when I say it's a power limit- just kidding.

But rap is terrible.

And kids are too guilable and willing to do anything to be "Cool" even though if they did all that they'd end up with all sorts of problems and end up dying really quickly.


I heard this at my school. Kid says you have to have a woman/girlfriend to be "cool"

No, imbecile: If you truly like someone you won't be in a new relationship every damn f***ing week

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Shard' timestamp='1324953027' post='5731208']
And kids are too guilable and willing to do anything to be "Cool" even though if they did all that they'd end up with all sorts of problems and end up dying really quickly.


I heard this at my school. Kid says you have to have a woman/girlfriend to be "cool"
[/quote]
I think parents play a role in the first one. They want their kids to succeed, but (in my case) push you towards things you don't like to gain friends. I won't meet friends in doing something that I dislike, especially (like in my case) it is continuously done. I played basketball for 3 years and hated every minute of it. I can play with family or for fun, but organized basketball is so competitive. Way more than any kid should have to deal with.

The second thing is also said in my community, except cool is replaced with STI positive. =P

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

Also, Cable

I didn't have cable growing up so I actually read a few books every once and a while

I say it's better for the child to get introduced to that kind of television much farther into their teen years rather than having them get used to listening everything the ol tube tells them

[Resident Fascist]

@LZ: are people there really that desperate? ...

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Shard' timestamp='1324956049' post='5731324']
@LZ: are people there really that desperate? ...
[/quote]
Its just that nobody in my city can stay with one person. Its my biggest reason for keeping my female friends just friends, because most people get around, if you know what I mean.

[.Starrk]

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1324946753' post='5730854']
Is it sad that I sometimes get good fashion compliments when I dress in a similar (but more subtle) style of an anime character?
[/quote]

No. Because at least you can show more than a shard of individuality.

[Travie]

[quote name='Coyote Starrk' timestamp='1324956549' post='5731346']
No. Because at least you can show more than a shard of individuality.
[/quote]
ITT: Cosplay.

[xbon]

So, what's wrong with dressing lightly in cold weather? I stepped outside with no shirt, wearing shorts during a blizzard, and I was fine.