Tentacruel Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Using google, you can easily find statistics about modern human trafficking. It's pretty disturbing. The convention I went to with my church managed to raise 3.6m for some organizations involved in fighting it, but I digress. I assume we can all agree that slavery is bad. To give us a starting point, forced prostitution is common in this, even with children. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1325867192' post='5750900'] I assume we can all agree that slavery is bad.[/quote] You know, this is pretty much the only thing we'll all say here. I mean, c'mon. What else is there to say about it? Bad things are bad, and they're bad for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 One of my high school teachers took a group to some conference about it 3 years ago, she was real adamant about the subject. I don't see the appeal of owning a person, I'm far to lazy to put in the effort of taking care of it and hiding it. But yeah, drugs and prostitution are its only real uses, both of which are illegal most places anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MjL0011ORb4 .../thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1325867935' post='5750918'] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MjL0011ORb4"]http://www.youtube.c...e&v=MjL0011ORb4[/url] .../thread [/quote] Ironically enough, Slaves never built any of those things. The people that did were volunteers from the town and stone masons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Oh yeah I'm aware of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 And to think that the American opinion about slavery was drastically split about 150 years ago. If you know what I'm referencing, you know your history. OT: Didn't America's Most Wanted do a special about this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Awful thing hear to be about and I hate that men have this fetish. I hear boys in my school turning their girlfriends into "sex slaves" and I just have the need to deck them and most of the time I do. The US practically enslave illegal immigrants for a variety of things including low pay work and sex. I lived in New Orleans for two years and my husband had lived their nearly his whole and he is 17. He tells of New Orleans's rich history with all forms of slavery. The Eastern part of the city is literally filled with sex slave trade. The restaurants in the French Quarter got busted three years ago for hiring Venezuelans that entered the country illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [i][spoiler=relevant]However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. [/i](Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) [i]If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.[/i] (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) [i]When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.[/i] (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) [i]When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.[/i] (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) [i]Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.[/i] (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) [i]Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. [/i](1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT) [i]The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."[/i] (Luke 12:47-48 NLT) DU FUQ GOD!?[/spoiler] In other news... Slavery is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Just to give you guys a better idea of just how bad this is, approximately 1 in 260 people on Earth is a slave. (Just a rough approx based on a flat 7m as the Earth's population.) It's organized crime, not just a few women being forced to become prostitutes. Some women are essentially kidnapped, their passports are stolen, they get shipped to some random country to be raped and abused and if they try to run they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clair Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 At least it's not legal in Amurrica anymore, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1325895729' post='5751781'] In other news... Slavery is horrible. [/quote] Your spoiler is broken, but everything in it is irrelevant. The slavery mentioned in the Bible is in fact different if you take the time to research it but I do not wish to start an argument here. [quote name='Clair' timestamp='1325903015' post='5751994'] At least it's not legal in Amurrica anymore, right? [/quote] Neither are rape and murder but they still happen. It's a serious problem. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 We are slaves to the laws of the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1325903142' post='5752006'] Your spoiler is broken, but everything in it is irrelevant. The slavery mentioned in the Bible is in fact different if you take the time to research it but I do not wish to start an argument here. [/quote] It is not different. It specifically talks about slavery therefore it is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Starrk Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 It's sort of like a pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Yo Anti, work up on your history a bit more. K? Slavery was often used as a way to off debts in that time period. Also, slaves in the Old Testament had more rights than those before the American Civil War. OT: Current slavery cannot be justified in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Darius the Just' timestamp='1325915526' post='5752195'] OT: slavery cannot be justified in anyway. [/quote] Fixed And slavery is slavery. It is not just the old testament. There are some from the New Testament as well. Why are people still believing in a book that condones slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Pikachu. Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 Is looking at this thread and wondering whether it's worth moving to Africa. Nah, too lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I remember on QI, the US being the biggest maker of car number plates....in prison....sort of like forced labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1325916740' post='5752209'] Fixed And slavery is slavery. It is not just the old testament. There are some from the New Testament as well. Why are people still believing in a book that condones slavery? [/quote] Because you're a moron and you refuse to be shaken from your narrow perception of reality. The Bible does not condone the same slavery as is practiced today. The slavery then was not human trafficking or "man-stealing," but a [u]consensual[/u] [i]x[/i]-year contract to pay off debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1325954872' post='5752719'] narrow perception of reality. [/quote] I am the one with the Narrow Perception of Reality? Really? Or is it you. You have been unable to counter-argue the Bible distinct discription on slavery. All you did was insult me and call my arguments a narrow perception of reality. The Bible condoned and encouraged slavery. And people still believe it. The verses I posted were undeniable proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1325955250' post='5752733'] I am the one with the Narrow Perception of Reality? Really? Or is it you. You have been unable to counter-argue the Bible distinct discription on slavery. [/quote] The bible does not give any description on slavery. Slavery back then was to pay off a debt. A slave was worth as much as he owed. People sold slaves because either A: Said slaves abilities did not work with what they needed around the house or B: The slave owner needed his money now. It's just like a stock system, only you actually had to take care of and feed your purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1325955672' post='5752751'] The bible does not give any description on slavery. [/quote] Look at my first post here. Then here is my question. If the world does not condone human ownership for pay off debts anymore then why are people believing in a book written in 150 AD that condones slavery as a payoff debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 [quote name='Anti-Theist' timestamp='1325955840' post='5752761'] Look at my first post here. Then here is my question. If the world does not condone human ownership for pay off debts anymore then why are people believing in a book written in 150 AD that condones slavery as a payoff debt. [/quote] 1. Because they just take all your sh*t instead of enslaving you, and if you still owe money you get imprisoned. 2. I'm pretty sure if I go to a restaurant and don't pay my bill I'll end up washing dishes for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) This doesn't look like people in debt to me. It looks like people being bought and sold while Israelites walk off scott free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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