Blake Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [center][img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/d/db/ChainMaterialPTDN-EN-SP-1E.png[/img][/center] [center]Ban it.[/center] [center]I mean, I know it's not going to be, but anything that enables loops that will just gain number with the prescence of Xyz is ridiculous, and it's just bad design.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 It was fine before they made Fusions like Fenix. I suppose Xyz also mess with it, too. Those OTKs aren't consistent enough to ban, but this definitely deserves to take a hike. The alternative is Fusion Gate, and Fusion Gate is perfectly balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 It was fine before they made Electrum- ohwai... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If they can ban Mass Driver, why not this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1328098976' post='5793527'] If they can ban Mass Driver, why not this? [/quote]because it's not an FTK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 If it was a Spell Card, could've been hit. Now, nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Evoltile Westlo' timestamp='1328100303' post='5793531'] because it's not an FTK. [/quote]About that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 It's not that g... FROM YOUR DECK? WHAT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Comrade Trollestia' timestamp='1328108573' post='5793610'] It's not that g... FROM YOUR DECK? WHAT? [/quote] Which is why it's an OTK anyways. Still, bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Unless you have Fusion Gate, but even that would be easily disrupt-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Frog FTK was disrupt-able. Didn't stop them banning Substitoad and Mass Driver. It does deserve the ban hammer, but it won't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1328112567' post='5793680'] Frog FTK was disrupt-able. Didn't stop them banning Substitoad and Mass Driver. It does deserve the ban hammer, but it won't get it. [/quote] Frog FTK was consistent and was pretty much one giant engine. It topped tournaments. Didn't it actually win the World Championship, or am I confused with Nationals somewhere? [quote name='Wraith' timestamp='1328076149' post='5793395'] It was fine before they made Electrum- ohwai... [/quote] I assume the "ohwait" is remembering Electrum existed first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1328114095' post='5793714'] Frog FTK was consistent and was pretty much one giant engine. It topped tournaments. Didn't it actually win the World Championship, or am I confused with Nationals somewhere? [/quote] You are correct, but I was responding to the logic of the OTK not being so bad because it was disrupt-able. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1328116226' post='5793768'] You are correct, but I was responding to the logic of the OTK not being so bad because it was disrupt-able. [/quote] That sounds like similar logic to "You can use Solemn Warning on Chaos Emperor Dragon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 But Connection Zone will be sad if this is banned...and you can't kill Aer Shark OTK! If kinda deserves if tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 ...did a Chain Material deck EVER topped any tournament? Legit question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1328135071' post='5794147'] ...did a Chain Material deck EVER topped any tournament? Legit question. [/quote] I sincerely doubt it. As I've been saying over and over again, the OTKs are inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I topped a tournament with Chain Material OTK, but that was in my years of lolwutdueling. Should I get shot for making that remark while cleverly lying about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1328135071' post='5794147'] ...did a Chain Material deck EVER topped any tournament? Legit question. [/quote] ofc yes unless you mean relevant tournaments like anything above regs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 [quote name='RobotBowtieOfDestruction' timestamp='1328151161' post='5794684'] ofc yes unless you mean relevant tournaments like anything above regs [/quote] Relevant ones yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1328172973' post='5795082'] Relevant ones yeah [/quote] I was on Skype with Jesse once and looked at all the SJCs and YCSs post-CRMS. There were 0 Chain Material decks. idk when the card was released but this information is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 It was released 3 sets before CRMS, so yeah, it never even been in major tournames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 See guys, I know you guys rage on certain cards because you keep losing to them, but it's not a reason to ban them. As said before, Chain Material deck never topped any major tournament before. Plus, Material on its own is pretty useless. It's also slow, and OTKs are situational. It won't be banned, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I've never lost to a chain material deck ._. It's banworthy for bad card design, and the fact it just gains more and more OTK loops, consistent or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1328202122' post='5795395'] It's banworthy for bad card design, and the fact it just gains more and more OTK loops, consistent or not. [/quote] But if a combo is not constinent, Konami won't bother banning it. Lets say in MtG, currently, there are a lot of hard locks or infinite loops. But none of them are truly constinent or broken to get banned. Same case here. In theory, card is pretty broke and banworthy, but it's not effective enough. And if we were to ban cards just for bad card design, half of the game would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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