Kingdom Xathers Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [center][img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/2/26/LightrayDiabolos-GAOV-JP-R.jpg[/img][/center] [center][b]LIGHT/Level 7/Dragon/Effect[/b][/center] [center][b]Cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. Must first be Special Summoned (from your hand) by having 5 or more LIGHT monsters with different names in your Graveyard. Once per turn: You can banish 1 LIGHT monster from your Graveyard to target 1 Set card your opponent controls; reveal that target, and return it to either the top or bottom of the Deck.[/b][/center] [center][b]Discuss this bad boy[/b][/center] [center][b]... wait, can he really be considered "bad"* anymore?[/b][/center] [center][color=#d3d3d3]* "bad" being synonymous with "evil", as opposed to "horrible Gameplay-wise"[/color][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Quick beatstick but the effect leaves more to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugendramon Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Ieyasu Tokugawa' timestamp='1330763526' post='5853712'] Quick beatstick but the effect leaves more to be desired. [/quote] Well, it's an MST that returns it to the Deck. And lets you see it, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Ｍｕｇｅｎｄｒａｍｏｎ' timestamp='1330764896' post='5853721'] Well, it's an MST that [b]hits monsters as well, and[/b] returns it to the Deck. And lets you see it, I guess. [/quote] Plus, depending on what card you reveal, you can either keep your opponent from having immediate access to it next turn, or place it on top of their Deck so they'll keep drawing into it (unless they just keep it in their hand after drawing it again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 It's not as good as I thought in Lightraysworns. Anti-synergetic with JD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Probably the worst Lightray tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 It's not ALL THAT BAD, but could've been better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Mu-12' timestamp='1330773868' post='5853763'] It's not ALL THAT BAD, but could've been better... [/quote] They can chain face-down cards upon activation and then it won't be returned. It's absolutely awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='evilkokonoe' timestamp='1330773971' post='5853764'] They can chain face-down cards upon activation and then it won't be returned. It's absolutely awful. [/quote] Like Dark World Lightning? What the f*ck T_T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 tbh I felt the effect is little weak, and considering it have 5 different named light monsters in the grave to be summoned. for that effect, it's summoning should be 3 at least :/or it should at least add in that set card can't be activated in response to the effect. why do i feel the name is contradictive to each other? O.o Lightray and Diabolos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 It was a fun tech in Worms. Not sure where else you can effectively run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Poison Love' timestamp='1330775471' post='5853778'] It was a fun tech in Worms. Not sure where else you can effectively run it. [/quote] That sounds extremely bad. :l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Threads like this just aid my logic that the only Lightray worth running is Daedelus as an easy-to-summon beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330771249' post='5853750'] It's not as good as I thought in Lightraysworns. Anti-synergetic with JD. [/quote] Its tested fine for me. Although, I only played one meta deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 It's not that good of a lightray... not sure I'd run it anywhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 I believe this is the most ironic card of Yugioh: as ~Poker Face~ pointed out, it's the LIGHT version of the card meant to represent the devil. Unless I am forgetting another monster out there. I find this card useful since currently it is the only "Lightray" who will fit in most LIGHT Decks like "The Sacreds" and "Vylons". Think of it as the generic "Lightray"; the other "Lightrays" require you to banish or run Warriors/Fields. And because your opponent can activate the Spell/Trap Card you target, obviously this card's effect is better used on face-down monsters when your opponent shifts to a defensive stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welche the crab Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Cleverly concealed Lightray DAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Despite the fact this card is harder to Summon then Daedalus, it's potential deck-locking effect actually wins games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1330793647' post='5854060'] I find this card useful since currently it is the only "Lightray" who will fit in most LIGHT Decks like "The Sacreds" and "Vylons". Think of it as the generic "Lightray"; the other "Lightrays" require you to banish or run Warriors/Fields. [/quote] Erm... lightray daedalus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingdom Xathers Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 [quote name='- Zeal -' timestamp='1330799472' post='5854184'] Erm... lightray daedalus... [/quote] [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1330793647' post='5854060'] the other "Lightrays" require you to banish or run Warriors/[b]Fields[/b]. [/quote] Frex was still correct. But I will agree, Daedalus is more "generic" with the cost of its effect, unlike Gearfried which requires banishing Warriors from the Grave and controlling only LIGHT Warriors, and Sorcerer which requires having banished monsters and has a cost that can screw up your chances of drawing the card you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNo.101 S.H. Death Knight Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 In overall, do you think Konami is trying well with Lightray as they do with Dark or no? I sorta feel they trying to drift each monster of Lightray apart as you seen their effects compare to Dark one that they only focus DARK monster only in their requirements and cost of effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1330793647' post='5854060']I find this card useful since currently it is the only "Lightray" who will fit in most LIGHT Decks like "The Sacreds" and "Vylons". [/quote] No it won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 Lucifer means [i]Light Bringer[/i]. Or [i]Light bearer[/i]. Where's the contradictory logic now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330820272' post='5854778'] No it won't [/quote] You think so? Then you suggest that "Daedalus" is the best "Lightray" for such Decks? I have been testing Diabolos in a "The Sacred" Deck and it, being a beatstick with a card removal effect, works better than a 2600 ATK monster whose effect I cannot activate because I don't run Field Spells; Diabolos only becomes a dead draw when I get it on my first turns, but I bet the same goes for the rest of the "Lightrays". True: Diabolos is harder to Summon because it needs 5 different LIGHTs in the Graveyard, but with the aid of LIGHT Xyz Monsters, "The Sacred" Decks can fullfill that requirement rather quickly. With LIGHT Synchros plus "Vylon Element", I guess Vylons can get 5 different LIGHTs on Graveyard quickly too. "Fableds" got LIGHT Synchros as well and they focus on discarding, so it shouldn't be difficult for them either. But I have not played with these last 2 archetypes so I might be wrong. [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1330820456' post='5854786'] Lucifer means [i]Light Bringer[/i]. Or [i]Light bearer[/i]. Where's the contradictory logic now? [/quote] Bet you read that from the wikia, and I acknowledge your statement. [s]But if "Diabolos" was meant to depict Lucifer, shouldn't the LIGHT "Diabolos" be the original monster and the DARK version be the counterpart, not the other way around? (is it the DARK Diabolos who has the full name). Diabolos becoming a "Lightray" [i]implies[/i] (keyword here. Before you argue, I am aware that the following is not a fact) that he went from DARK --> LIGHT, and this is where I find the irony.[/s] I just remembered that Diabolos was later demoted so it couldn't become a "Lightray" afterwards. Diabolos is not as contradictory as I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 [quote name='Frex' timestamp='1330841026' post='5855481'] You think so? Then you suggest that "Daedalus" is the best "Lightray" for such Decks? [/quote] Which is better in Inzektors, Beaver Warrior or Ryu-Kishin? Vylons and Stellars don't need Lightrays. It's pointless to ask which is better of two bad cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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