Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 [color=#000000]Overly long title FTW. Seriously though all the rank 1s needing 3+ materials are totally unplayable and never see use, at least this is a viable alternative. Also, sorry for the picture going all s*** on the Xyz, the template for YuGiCo stretches it out stupidly big.[/color] [color=#000000][img]http://i39.tinypic.com/8vxjx1.jpg[/img][/color] [color=#000000]2 Level 1 Monsters[/color] [color=#000000]This card cannot be destroyed by battle. You take no damage from battles involving this card. Once per turn you can detach one Xyz material from this card to banish one monster card from your Graveyard. This card gains ATK and DEF equal to the ATK and DEF of the banished monster, until the End Phase. When this card has no Xyz materials: Banish it and Special Summon one of the Xyz materials used to summon it.[/color] [color=#000000][img]http://i41.tinypic.com/2clvzd.jpg[/img][/color] [color=#000000]When this card is Normal Summoned, you can pay 500 Life Points : Special Summon up to 2 "Bentra"s from your hand or Deck.[/color] [color=#000000]Please comment. NAOW.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekko1990 Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 This is not only viable, but both cards are broken. I'll begin with Bentra as its only slightly broken. There are two things that help break this card. First off, its the same level as what you summon from your deck, making it quite easy to exceed summon even the rank 1's that need 3 materials. Secondly, it summons from both the hand and the deck, taking away almost any difficulty in having enough Bentra to special summon. I'd suggest removing the ability to summon from your hand. Then this card will be very good, but not broken. Next is the XYZ. This is broken beyond belief. First off, it is a wall that you take no battle damage from, that alone is too good of an effect for a monster so easily summoned. However, it also has the ability to banish a monster in your graveyard in your graveyard to gain it's atk and def permanently, allowing it to gain ridiculous power for a rank 1 (with 2700-3000 being easy to get), not to mention that the banish part of the effect can also help some decks. Lastly, if you use cards like A/D Changer, Fishborg Launcher and Laval Volcano Handmaiden you can detach them, use their effects and special summon them later with Esuni's effect to reuse them even though they are banished as the card doesn't state that it needs to summon them from the graveyard. The problem with this card is that it needs to be completely redone, as any single one of these effects would be too powerful if put on this monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted March 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 But the point of Bentra is to swarm the level 3s and get the Xyz which are simply not plausible at the moment.... The Xyz attack gain was supposed to be until the End Phase though so I'll change that, thanks for pointing it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasder47 Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 good but Esuni the Balance is a little overpowered 9.2/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted March 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Care to be more vague? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Any more thoughts/suggestions/cookies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 I want more comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasder47 Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 what do you mean by vague? [quote name='Ęɳɢuǐɳ' timestamp='1332963654' post='5892641'] Care to be more vague? [/quote]What do you mean by vague? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 What I mean is, you gave no detail on what you meant and basically said f*** all about the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. guy Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Getting two level 1s on the field is supa easy getting a spirit reaper that can become stronger than a blue-eyes with ease while also being a walking D.D. Crow is not appropriate for the ease of its summon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 The second card I cannot see. The image appears broken for me. Though it sounds a bit too easy of a swarm, which is currently needed for Rank 1s indeed. Your Xyz is overpowered though. Your second card allows it to be a tech not focused on Level 1 Decks, so we can assume it can copy anything of reasonable size like Phantom of Chaos does, except that can actually inflict damage to your opponent. It's a bit too good on the defensive side. The "you take no Battle Damage from this card" and the "cannot be destroyed by battle" clauses are a bit too cheap for something like this. It's more or less the reason (or one of the reasons) "Number" Cards lost that clause when translated to IRL. To complement this card's good sides even more, you get back a material, which is at worse, an extra momentary shield, and at best, a future Xyz Material for another copy of this guy. The only downside I'd think of, is the need to banish big monsters from your Graveyard constantly, which leaves me to reconsider it's balance. I'd need to proxy and test it to make sure of how well it'd turn out to be =/ The consept though, I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 Tinypic seems to have decided, for no reason other than to piss me off, to randomly start taking down my card images :/ If it is overpowered, what effect do I remove? To unbreak it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I wouldn't say "remove", but just water down the part where he is pretty much invinsible by battle and leaves you no Battle Damage. He doesn't affraid of anything! *shot* Well, my personal opinion is, get rid of the "no damage" clause, and reduce the "not destroyed by battle" to something like once per turn... or something with a price that's either not "too cheap" or "too expensive". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 OK, I'll change it soon, just need to get on a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [size=8][b]EVERYONE, STOP SAYING S*** AND LISTEN.[/b][/size] The Xyz is perfectly balanced as it is, and is rather brilliant work. It requires milling a high-ATK monster to work any better than Spirit Reaper, which is tedious work in any deck that can spam Rank 1s. Not to mention, if you Banish a monster with high ATK, chances are you can't grab it with Leviair, making it hard to abuse this eff for evil purposes. If you think logically it's quite clear the card's not broken at all; don't listen to the guys telling you it's overpowered. I assume that broken image is a Level 1 monster with the name of "Bentra". So it's pretty much D-Boyz done right. I also assume it's DARK. I think that's fine too. "Pay 1000 to Normal Summon any Rank 1" is precisely what they need, given none of them are currently usable outside casual decks. If Bulb and Spore existed I would've said something among the lines of "abusable", but with Synchros now officially dead, this is perfectly balanced. "Wouldn't making it DARK make it abusable?" No hell no. It's "hand or Deck", meaning that you can't use Dark Eruption etc. to go for more Rank 1s. Besides, the problem of "OMG 3 DARKS IN GRAVE" isn't as threatening as it may seem, given Rank 1 Xyz can't detach many materials at will. And I'd never Banish this for Allure. A very good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1333881183' post='5906134'] [size=8][b]EVERYONE, STOP SAYING S*** AND LISTEN.[/b][/size] The Xyz is perfectly balanced as it is, and is rather brilliant work. It requires milling a high-ATK monster to work any better than Spirit Reaper, which is tedious work in any deck that can spam Rank 1s. Not to mention, if you Banish a monster with high ATK, chances are you can't grab it with Leviair, making it hard to abuse this eff for evil purposes. If you think logically it's quite clear the card's not broken at all; don't listen to the guys telling you it's overpowered. I assume that broken image is a Level 1 monster with the name of "Bentra". So it's pretty much D-Boyz done right. I also assume it's DARK. I think that's fine too. "Pay 1000 to Normal Summon any Rank 1" is precisely what they need, given none of them are currently usable outside casual decks. If Bulb and Spore existed I would've said something among the lines of "abusable", but with Synchros now officially dead, this is perfectly balanced. "Wouldn't making it DARK make it abusable?" No hell no. It's "hand or Deck", meaning that you can't use Dark Eruption etc. to go for more Rank 1s. Besides, the problem of "OMG 3 DARKS IN GRAVE" isn't as threatening as it may seem, given Rank 1 Xyz can't detach many materials at will. And I'd never Banish this for Allure. A very good job. [/quote] Unlike Spirit Reaper, this card is beatstick + better shield. Are you 100% sure on this? and did the quantity of monster-removal effects increase that much in the last couple of months I haven't physically played? hmmm let's see.... 2 Torrental, Dark Hole, Zenmaines, Scrap Dragon, Hornet,.., *keeps looking* ok fine >.> though I wouldn't assume this needs to gain extra ATK more than once to have payed for himself. 2+ times would really be a bonus afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 People who say it's too strong - 2 People who are unsure - 1 People who say it's really good - 1 People who said NOTHING - 1 Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 My vote counts for a million people because I'm the only tournament-level duelist who rated this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partangle the Candle Jangler Posted April 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]People who say it's too strong - 2[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]People who are unsure - 1[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]People who say it's really good - 1,000,000[/size][/font][/color] [color=#666666][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]People who said NOTHING - 1[/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1333881183' post='5906134'] [size=8][b]EVERYONE, STOP SAYING S*** AND LISTEN.[/b][/size] The Xyz is perfectly balanced as it is, and is rather brilliant work. It requires milling a high-ATK monster to work any better than Spirit Reaper, which is tedious work in any deck that can spam Rank 1s. Not to mention, if you Banish a monster with high ATK, chances are you can't grab it with Leviair, making it hard to abuse this eff for evil purposes. If you think logically it's quite clear the card's not broken at all; don't listen to the guys telling you it's overpowered. I assume that broken image is a Level 1 monster with the name of "Bentra". So it's pretty much D-Boyz done right. I also assume it's DARK. I think that's fine too. "Pay 1000 to Normal Summon any Rank 1" is precisely what they need, given none of them are currently usable outside casual decks. If Bulb and Spore existed I would've said something among the lines of "abusable", but with Synchros now officially dead, this is perfectly balanced. "Wouldn't making it DARK make it abusable?" No hell no. It's "hand or Deck", meaning that you can't use Dark Eruption etc. to go for more Rank 1s. Besides, the problem of "OMG 3 DARKS IN GRAVE" isn't as threatening as it may seem, given Rank 1 Xyz can't detach many materials at will. And I'd never Banish this for Allure. A very good job. [/quote] I'm not even gonna fully comment on the card, mainly because Darkplant summed up the card perfectly. Why are people comparing it to Spirit Reaper anyway? One is a Level 1 Xyz that can't be casually splashed anywhere unless you waste deck space like an idiot, and the other is a Rabbit counter that's most used for its discard ability. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Why are people comparing it to a spirit reaper? Because it is a spirit reaper? I mean, imagine spirit reaper. Now imagine a spirit reaper you don't have to draw, instead you just have to draw any 2 level 1s. Now imagine a spirit reaper that does not die when being targeted. Now imagine a spirit reaper that can have lots of attack.Now imagine all that together, but get rid of the discarding effect for good measure. That is what we have here. Now... let me say that I actually like it. You thought I was going to be negative, right? Wrong. However, I do think you picked the wrong effect of spirit reaper to keep. The way it currently works, especially with the support for it you made, is just going to support all the wrong decks - i.e. stall. We will be giving them essentially a deck-thinning spirit reaper, that gets out another monster in the process. They don't care about the lack of discards, because these types of decks don't care about discards. Instead, IMHO, we should drop the STALL aspect of Spirit Reaper and KEEP the discard aspect of spirit reaper. Now we have all the good aspects of your card... minus the only negative aspect. Plus, if I am understanding the card right, it would actually help level-1-based decks MORE with the discard effect than with the stall effect. Those decks really need a win condition, or an easier way of supporting the win condition. The card NEEDS the possibility for big ATK to be a beatstick, which the deck is lacking. But the deck also needs a way of generating card advantage, something that all good decks this meta have tons of. This card could singlehandedly provide both. By changing this one effect, you eliminate its usefulness in a deck that you (probably) did not intend it for, and maximize its usefulness in a deck that you (probably) did intend it for. Some would even say this increases the power of the card. Even so, that is just a suggestion. Even in the current form the card is -not- broken. It is just powerful, more powerful than spirit reaper. And yes, it [i] can [/i] be compared to spirit reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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