Thar Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Not sure if any of you saw my most recent status, but it was about the topic at hand. So yesterday was April Fool's day and all, and strangely enough I was not played a single prank that day, which is weird because I usually come across at least a few pranks that my sisters set up. But since I was at work, they didn't have much of a chance. But while I wasn't fooled, I went to sleep much earlier than usual (any time before midnight isn't very late for me.) Then when I started dreaming, I was falling victim to every prank in existence. So, in the end, my own MIND was fooling me. So casting the possible misuse of the term aside, discuss any ironic moments in your life, be it trivial or totally life-changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Irony is genuinely one of the most difficult words to define. I've always described it as 'the humour of consequential coincidence'. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333380073' post='5898915'] Irony is genuinely one of the most difficult words to define. I've always described it as 'the humour of consequential [b]coincidence[/b]'. lol. [/quote] The way I see it, coincidence has nothing to do with it. Cause "coincidence" is in itself defined as an "unintentional moment." I define "irony" as an "intentional moment that another perspective does not expect." Not the best use of words, but it's the best way I can describe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Irony as saying something with the direct opposite meaning in mind is the oldest definition of the word. Still, I'm confused as to whether or not irony and sarcasm are synonyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Well, in a nutshell, the said person using sarcasm [i]intentionally[/i] meant the opposite of what he or she said. So it might work, however it all really depends on whether the listener knows he or she is using sarcasm or not. So with the scale balanced, I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 [quote=Wikipedia] [b] Verbal irony and sarcasm[/b] A fair amount of confusion has surrounded the issue regarding the relationship between verbal irony and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm"]sarcasm[/url]. Fowler's [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Modern_English_Usage"]A Dictionary of Modern English Usage[/url][/i] states:[indent] Sarcasm does not necessarily involve irony and irony has often no touch of sarcasm.[/indent] This suggests that the two concepts are linked but may be considered separately. The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED"]OED[/url] entry for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm"]sarcasm[/url] does not mention irony, but the irony entry reads:[indent] A figure of speech in which the intended meaning is the opposite of that expressed by the words used; usually taking the form of sarcasm or ridicule in which laudatory expressions are used to imply condemnation or contempt.[/indent] The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica"]Encyclopædia Britannica[/url] has "Non-literary irony is often called sarcasm”; while the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_Dictionary"]Webster's Dictionary[/url] entry is:[indent] Sarcasm: 1 : a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain. 2 a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual.[/indent] Partridge in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_and_Abusage"]Usage and Abusage[/url] would separate the two forms of speech completely:[indent] Irony must not be confused with sarcasm, which is direct: sarcasm means precisely what it says, but in a sharp, caustic, ... manner.[/indent] The psychologist Martin, in [i]The psychology of humour[/i], is quite clear that irony is where “the literal meaning is opposite to the intended”; and sarcasm is “aggressive humor that pokes fun”.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#cite_note-9"][10][/url][/sup] He has the following examples: For irony he uses the statement "What a nice day" when it is raining. For sarcasm, he cites [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill"]Winston Churchill[/url] who, when told by a lady that he was drunk, said "my dear, you are ugly ... but tomorrow I shall be sober", as being sarcastic, while not saying the opposite of what is intended. Psychology researchers Lee and Katz (1998) have addressed the issue directly. They found that ridicule is an important aspect of sarcasm, but not of verbal irony in general. By this account, sarcasm is a particular kind of personal criticism leveled against a person or group of persons that incorporates verbal irony. For example, a woman reports to her friend that rather than going to a medical doctor to treat her cancer, she has decided to see a spiritual healer instead. In response her friend says sarcastically, "Oh, brilliant, what an ingenious idea, that's really going to cure you." The friend could have also replied with any number of ironic expressions that should not be labeled as sarcasm exactly, but still have many shared elements with sarcasm. Most instances of verbal irony are labeled by research subjects as sarcastic, suggesting that the term [i]sarcasm[/i] is more widely used than its technical definition suggests it should be (Bryant & Fox Tree, 2002; Gibbs, 2000). Some [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycholinguistic"]psycholinguistic[/url] theorists (e.g., Gibbs, 2000) suggest that [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm"]sarcasm[/url] ("Great idea!", "I hear they do fine work."), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole"]hyperbole[/url] ("That's the best idea I have heard in years!"), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understatement"]understatement[/url] ("Sure, what the hell, it's only cancer..."), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question"]rhetorical questions[/url] ("What, does your spirit have cancer?"), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre"]double entendre[/url] ("I'll bet if you do that, you'll be communing with spirits in no time...") and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocularity"]jocularity[/url] ("Get them to fix your bad back while you're at it.") should all be considered forms of verbal irony. The differences between these tropes can be quite subtle, and relate to typical emotional reactions of listeners, and the rhetorical goals of the speakers. Regardless of the various ways theorists categorize figurative language types, people in conversation are attempting to decode speaker intentions and discourse goals, and are not generally identifying, by name, the kinds of tropes used (Leggitt & Gibbs, 2000).[/quote] tl;dr, basically sarcasm has to do with intention to mock. Sarcasm can employ verbal irony, but not all verbal irony is sarcasm. The irony described in the OP is closest to Situational Irony, although I'm not sure it fits the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Thinking about it, it IS pretty hard to define... I kind of think of it as one event happening after another, where the second event is, in some way, the opposite of the first to a humorous, awkward, sarcastic etc effect. It's a concept that's hard to express in words but you know it when you see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I saw that status. Yeah, irony is quite hard to define. I see it as something that is coincidentally humorous or noteworthy due to a combination of similarities or contradictions or other such relations and comparisons. For instance, the discovery that Hitler was indeed Jewish (if it was true) is ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 For me, I believe that Irony is a twist of events that shouldn't happen because it doesn't make sense when thought of, but it happens. An example is when the Water Power-Up in Return to Dream Land is destroyed when landing in water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Exodia Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I walked in telling my parents about the new Burger King items as the commercial aired right behind me. (Jack the Ripper getting killed by female zombies... A feminist getting a sex change... et cetera) I just love Irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frunk Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Irony hard to define? How ironic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [quote name='Frunk' timestamp='1333420037' post='5899730'] Irony hard to define? How ironic! [/quote] Ha. Good to see you back, Frunk. But who here has had an ironic situation in their life that they wanna share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Exodia Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I just did. An American arrested in Mexico for Border Jumping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [quote name='Cheetah Blazer' timestamp='1333421407' post='5899759'] I just did. An American arrested in Mexico for Border Jumping. [/quote] xDD But did you actually SEE that in person? That's what I'm trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [img]http://www.adrants.com/images/mcd_obesity.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 DD, I'm not sure that's irony. They advertise meanings totally opposite from each other, but it's not like we don't expect them to be that way. Plus McDonald's is just disgusting, but that's a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocana Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 [quote name='Crimson Thar' timestamp='1333463653' post='5900051'] DD, I'm not sure that's irony. They advertise meanings totally opposite from each other, but it's not like we don't expect them to be that way. Plus McDonald's is just disgusting, but that's a different topic. [/quote] It's unexpected for them to have bought advertising space right next to each other like that. Would be more ironic if the obesity thing was next to/on/inside a McDonald's though. I would have lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90[/url] Needed to be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadenxAtemYAOI Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 It's kinda ironic a French soldier had imprisoned Adolf Hitler in WWI and could have killed him. My locals are having Free Format Friday. Everyone brought current tiers with more cards upped like Fish Spam, Infernities, Chaos, etc. I'm running a deck with 3 cyber jar and 3 morphing jar. My first duel so far and only went like this. Alexis(me) Set Cyber Jar Opponent(Ray) Infernity Archfiend attacks Cyber Jar. I pick up 5 cards and draw 1 monster, Cyber Jar. he picks up 5 monsters. attacks Cyber jar. I pick up 5 cards. Set cyber Jar. He picks up and summons 4 monsters. Attacks Cyber Jar I pick up 5 cards and set 3x morphing jar. He picks up 4 monsters and attacks the jars with them I won. I found it ironic I picked up what I needed because I also had 3x card destruction, and 2 hand destruction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRenji Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flcXZATyz1w"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flcXZATyz1w[/url] So many ironic things have happened to me and my friends. It's ironic that I don't remember a single exam- *shot* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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