HYPOTHETICAL! - If this section had an advanced clause, what would it look like?

[Catterjune]

Hypothetically, of course.

Also this topic isn't against the rules because I say so, and the first rule of YCM is mods have final say.


Recently [someone who may or may not remain nameless] suggested an advanced clause (similar to Fanfics or Created Cards) to make this section less god awful. After sobering up, I decided to give it some thought and come to the conclusion that it seems unfeasible (or at least very very difficult to do) ... and here's why!:

Fanfics, Created Cards, and Roleplays are rather... to put it bluntly, simple. Since this section is defined as "Post anything related to the Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game" it has a wider net to cast. Created Card discusses... single created cards and archetypes. We do that with cards that are actual cards, as well as maintain tournaments, post guides, report news, discuss banlists and theory-oh.

There's no way to make one grand unifying Advance Clause to moderate the entire section over. So I gave it a little more thought and I figured why not just think up categories that a thing could fall into, and make three or four advanced clauses that would preside over them?

As far as I can tell, the main five categories that would fall under TCG's jurisdiction would be:

Single Card, Combos, and Archetype Discussion
Guides (May loosely overlap with "Archetype Discussion")
Tournaments (As in, "I am hosting a tournament over DN")
News (Tournament Reports qualify as "news")
Banlists and Theory

I may be missing something because I'm a stupid person, or I may (in my head) assign something to a group that isn't readily apparent.

So... that's where you guys come in I suppose. Either suggest a category I may be missing, or work out what kind of "advance clause" would be needed for each category or work on one unifying rule that all topics can fall under.

And remember this is all hypothetical, of course.


tl;dr - Either come up with one grand Advance Clause that covers all the possible types of topics one can find in the TCG or break down all possible topics into five or so categories, and come up with an Advanced Clause for each category. Hypothetically.

[Miror B]

TCG advanced clause is pretty unfeasable to say the least. Custom Cards and Fanfics are critique sections where we can tell them what's right, wrong and what could be done better. RP is making a story, creativity can be abundant and long winded paragraphs about a day in the park are made.

TCG doesn't critique in the slightest except with banlists, and that's mostly just "Shut up retard that card isn't broken"

[Anbu-of-Sand]

I hardly see Guides posted here about Archetypes / Certain Decks ;_; It'd sure be nice to see more of them, possibly even have a Stickied Topic listing Guides that teach you how to build / use said Archetype / Deck. It might even encourage newbies to go into TCG more often and not get scared off because if the Guide is good enough, they shouldn't have any questions about the Archetype / Deck after reading the whole thing.

[evilfusion]

Well, for single cards/combos/archetypes, the OP should list the card, have the effect (or a link). The OP should probably then elaborate on what should be discussed within the thread, whether it be combos, or hidden uses for the card, or how it factors into competitive or casual play. Whether it fits into a certain Deck or style, things like that.

Not necessarily their personal input, but give the potential posters a bone to gnaw on while they type out their 5 word post. Maybe they'll write 10 instead.

For posters, they should elaborate on their opinion/the fact. They shouldn't say "card sucks" and be done with it, they should go on as to why, such as whether it's outclassed and by what, whether the superior card fits the hypothetical Deck better. This way, it explains the logic not only for intelligent members who just don't see the viewpoint all the way, or the newer members who have no clue why the "epic good" Magic Cylinder is terrible.

How to incorporate that basic design into a specific AC rule, I have no clue. It's just my thoughts.

[Catterjune]

[quote]TCG advanced clause is pretty unfeasable to say the least.[/quote]
That is literally what I said in the opening post:

"After sobering up, I decided to give it some thought and come to the conclusion that it seems unfeasible (or at least very very difficult to do)"

Currently leaning towards the "very difficult to do". If I had my way I'd probably make four more subsections, rename this one, and divide things up like that but since that will never happen because lolYCMaker.


For right now, assume it's not unfeasible. It's a hypothetical. Assume for one second that all TCG members are golden haired angels and will post exactly as you instruct them to post. Again, highly unlikely but that's why it's a hypothetical. What rules would you want them to follow, knowing they would follow it?

[quote]I hardly see Guides posted here about Archetypes / Certain Decks[/quote]
Likewise, but unless people actually do it... *shrug*

Maybe an incentive of sorts? Five hundred points or something for each tutorial? *shrug*

[quote]Well, for single cards/combos/archetypes, the OP should list the card, have the effect (or a link). The OP should probably then elaborate on what should be discussed within the thread, whether it be combos, or hidden uses for the card, or how it factors into competitive or casual play. Whether it fits into a certain Deck or style, things like that.[/quote]
That could work, hypothetically.

[shelds9]

Like you mentioned in the first post, I don't see this working, as it is a discussion thread, and conversations tend to wander. I don't think the clause would help much at all, as it wouldn't prevent arguments, and people who flame/troll to an extent should be warned/banned anyways.

[Blake]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1334621552' post='5916138']
Likewise, but unless people actually do it... *shrug*
[/quote]
I'm actually extremely willing to do it for Fableds. I'm sure Evilfusion would be happy to do a Photon Sanctuary one in his spare time, and I'm sure we could get Burnpsy to do Morphtronics without much effort. Most people that like a certain deck a lot would most likely write a guide in their spare time without incentive.

Thought out guides would be something I'd love to see in the section.

And an advanced clause, per se, isn't really needed as much as stricter rules so that it's not memes, spam, and trolling with some occasionally legitimate discussion, like the alt win thread.

Evilfusion's post kinda covers what I think would be good to be implemented, but I feel like I forgot something...

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1334621552' post='5916138']
Maybe an incentive of sorts? Five hundred points or something for each tutorial? *shrug*
[/quote]
I wouldn't say Points is the way to go to get more people to make Guides; sure it feels good to have a bunch, but in my opinion, not much people use them. We shouldn't have people making Guides for points or anything, but because they actually really like a Deck / Archetype and would like to show other people how good that Deck / Archetype could be at it's fullest. But in the end, it all leads to do the fact that people just don't make them.

[Greiga]

This card is bad and with that effect would be definitely put at 0.

OT:

I think people when discussing decks and combos should actually put the combo and some real duel applications instead of being all "lol this combo is broken but I won't post because obvious." because in the end they're the only ones who know it.

Also for cards like Vanillas it should be required to summarize in the OP why the vanilla is worth discussing so that each new vanilla topic doesn't become "That is a nice artwork." "Yes, that IS a nice artwork." "This card is s***."

Guides seems to me like a guide on how to play a deck, while Archetype discussion is mostly "what is the point of this archetype, how can it get better, is it even good now?"

The last important tournament news that was posted everyone got like 50% warns for it because it was apparently a spamfest so I don't give two shits about tournament news at all.

Banlist discussions should be allowed if people don't focus the whole topic on one card, and so should custom banlists as long as people actually explain their reasoning and they're not horrible. Theory makes me think of "how would this go with this" or "what if this card could do this" and so should be allowed, as long as people actually give a good explanation of why they think that way.

I also think I totally missed the point of this topic.

[shelds9]

In addition to what Greiga mentioned, maybe just post recommendations on what should be discussed in threads, and not totally enforce them, unless [u][b]seriously[/b][/u] needed.

[color=#ffffff]I underlined and bolded because some people use the term seriously loosely.[/color]

[This Account is Unplayable]

Thing with guides is that most of us that have written them keep them to a blog anyway, since posting them on YCM gets them bumped off the first page within a day anyway.

[Anbu-of-Sand]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1334636925' post='5916535']
Thing with guides is that most of us that have written them keep them to a blog anyway, since posting them on YCM gets them bumped off the first page within a day anyway.
[/quote]
Like I suggested though, we can have a stickies topic with links to all the (well written / though out) guides, that way we don't have to search for them through the pages. Sure they my be bumped off the first page, but this way they won't be forgotten.

[Greiga]

[quote name='Anbu-of-Sand' timestamp='1334666936' post='5916693']
Like I suggested though, we can have a stickies topic with links to all the (well written / though out) guides, that way we don't have to search for them through the pages. Sure they my be bumped off the first page, but this way they won't be forgotten.
[/quote]

This. It also seems to work in the VG section so why not here?