inzektor hornet and wind up hunter

[lightswornGENEX]

inzektor hornet and wind up hunter should both be at least limited to 1 copy or banned altogethor, because they're the main cards of those 2 decks and they basically create a situation where they're practically invincible/ auto win cards due to how people abuse them.

[Just Crouton]

Getting rid of Hornet doesn't get rid of the combo that makes it crazy. They can still use Ladybug and make Volcasaurus/Tiras.

[Lonk]

[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1335371198' post='5924952']
Getting rid of Hornet doesn't get rid of the combo that makes it crazy. They can still use Ladybug and make Volcasaurus/Tiras.
[/quote]

I'd prefer that over herpderp+4

Also, according to Da Rules of the TCG section, one cannot make a topic about 2 unrelated cards. Since this thread is about both Hornet and Hunter, this thread is illegal because they do not relate. I'm just recounting the rules for a person new to the TCG section.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1335371198' post='5924952']
Getting rid of Hornet doesn't get rid of the combo that makes it crazy. They can still use Ladybug and make Volcasaurus/Tiras.
[/quote]
Because that's apparently gamebreaking in this broken format.

Hunter is the thing that should be hit, but knowing Konami they'd just limit Zenmaighty.

[Agro]

So lsgenex is giving the alt vibe.

Anyway, banning hornet will put Inzektors to Tier 2. Hitting Dino Rabbit too will bring a whole lot of other decks into the tiers again.

[Just Crouton]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1335387446' post='5925156']
Because that's apparently gamebreaking in this broken format.
[/quote]

My point was that they still do the same stuff without Hornet, but I see Koloktos point on +4s.

[-Berserker-]

I would feel bad if they ban Hunter. It is just a victim of the circumstances. [s]Not that I care if they limit it, as I only have one.[/s]
Hornet is more straightforward powerful, but still, not enough to warrant a hit by itself. It's just one for one destruction.

[Agro]

[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1335391953' post='5925256']
My point was that they still do the same stuff without Hornet, but I see Koloktos point on +4s.
[/quote]Just because of the +4 difference, you're wrong. They don't do the same thing. It's a +0 instead of a +4. It requires the same amount of moves, yes, all of which still involve many points that can be interrupted. Inzektors would be a cool deck without hornet. They would be next to worthless with what you're suggesting.

[Lunar Origins]

Just limit Rat and Damsel.

[Just Crouton]

[quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1335392314' post='5925262']
Just because of the +4 difference, you're wrong. They don't do the same thing. It's a +0 instead of a +4. It requires the same amount of moves, yes, all of which still involve many points that can be interrupted. Inzektors would be a cool deck without hornet. They would be next to worthless with what you're suggesting.
[/quote]

You're right. Hitting either of the other two in the combo means the deck is slow/useless competitive or casual.

[Greiga]

Limit Centipede
Ban Hunter
How do these relate?

[-Berserker-]

[quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1335393909' post='5925289']
Limit Centipede
Ban Hunter
How do these relate?
[/quote]
The position in the list of lv3 Dark monsters with 1600 ATK?

[Agro]

[quote name='God Crouton!!!' timestamp='1335392848' post='5925271']
You're right. Hitting either of the other two in the combo means the deck is slow/useless competitive or casual.
[/quote]No, hitting both would be. But choosing between Dfly/Centipede and hornet, why would you not go with the one that makes everyone angry? Hornet turned the deck from a fun deck with a really cool idea, to a really broken one that abused a cool idea.

[quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1335393909' post='5925289']
Limit Centipede
Ban Hunter
How do these relate?
[/quote]Because Hornet is is an abusive Corporal.

[Greiga]

Hunter is EARTH I thought?

[Agro]

[quote name='Greiga te Jalokia' timestamp='1335395361' post='5925308']
Hunter is EARTH I thought?
[/quote]No, Hunter is DARK.

[img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111105175908/yugioh/images/thumb/6/68/WindUpHunter-PHSW-EN-SR-1E.jpg/300px-WindUpHunter-PHSW-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

[El Majishan]

Limit Dragon Fly, Semi Centipede.

Hitting Hornet is kinda meh IMO since they only need 1 in order to +4 and other shenanigans.


Semi or Limit Rat.

Hunter to 1 is pointless because we only need 1 for the loop.

I would say hit Maity....but I think that would just make the deck unplayable...since he's our main exceed and main way of gaining field advantage.

[Agro]

Ideas Proposed:
Ban hornet - Inzektors become an actually fun competitive deck that may involve a lot more skill.
Limit Centipede - Inzektors continue to be a stupid deck that may not be able to loop but can still +4/5
Limit Dragonfly - Inzektors can still OTK Loop
Limit Dragonfly, Sem Centipede - Inzektors can still OTK Loop
Every other idea - Inzektors become unusable

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='-Berserker-' timestamp='1335392058' post='5925258']
I would feel bad if they ban Hunter. It is just a victim of the circumstances. [s]Not that I care if they limit it, as I only have one.[/s]
Hornet is more straightforward powerful, but still, not enough to warrant a hit by itself. It's just one for one destruction.
[/quote]
Hornet isn't 1 for 1 destruction when the archetype pulls one out of the Grave freely.

The top tier decks are all extremely annoying this format.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Hornet was a bad idea from the start, while Dragonfly and Centipede aren't.

That's what I think. Hornet to 0, and keep everything else.

[This Account is Unplayable]

Ban Hornet, severely damage the deck but in the best way you actually can.

Ban Hunter, loops will always exist. Also semi or just limit Zenmaighty, no one likes mindless OTK machines.

Limit or ban Rabbit, either works.

Hero/Dark World/Dragon/Six Sam format, ahoy!

[ekko1990]

You would have to ban rabbit in order to really do something as you only need 1 thanks to Leviair.

I was just wondering about Hunter. Without Wind-up Zenmaighty, isn't he just a single random discard that can't be looped anymore?

[~British Soul~]

[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335446124' post='5925676']
You would have to ban rabbit in order to really do something as you only need 1 thanks to Leviair.
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...or you can ban Leviair

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[quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1335446124' post='5925676']
You would have to ban rabbit in order to really do something as you only need 1 thanks to Leviair.

I was just wondering about Hunter. Without Wind-up Zenmaighty, isn't he just a single random discard that can't be looped anymore?
[/quote]

No, because then you'd require both Gold Sarc and TGU in a hand to make plays, and 2 card combos are inconsistent when they can't be searched. Rabbit would fall, while still being a deck. TGU in itself deserves to go anyway.

Why kill a card that actually helps the deck, without breaking it (albeit Zenmaity should be semi'd or limited anyway due to dumb OTKs) instead of just killing something that exists purely for loops?

[mido9]

Why should a deck be competitive if it needs to rely on broken cards to be so?

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[quote name='mido9' timestamp='1335449697' post='5925684']
Why should a deck be competitive if it needs to rely on broken cards to be so?
[/quote]

Ok, lets ban Grapha, Shi En, Zenmaity, Miracle Fusion, Absolute Zero, Rescue Rabbit, Tour Guide, Zenmaines, Leviair, Gorz, Solemn Judgment, all the Inzektors, REDMD, Lightpulsar and so on and so forth.