[hypothetical] What if Yugioh had more formats?

[HSektor]

Let's say that Yugioh had more formats just like magic, what would happen? What would be the meta in each format?

I'm gonna throw some ideas right here.

Standard - You can only use cards from the last 7 boosters.
Extended - You can only use cards from the last 15 boosters.
Deck Madness - You can only use cards from Starter decks and Struture decks.
Highlander - Only 1 copy of each card, this includes side deck and extra deck.
Epic - 16000LP, 70 cards minimum, 7 cards start.
Duel Terminal style - http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Speed_Duel_(Duel_Terminal)

Every format would have they own banlist just like Advanced and Traditional, also these 2 formats would still exist.

So, let's discuss. (I don't know if this kind of thread is illegal, if yes, where can I post it?)

[TheUnforgiven]

Personally i think it would make the game more interesting... some formats ive been pondering....

Old School- No cards from post GX.
Normality- No effect monsters.
Level low down- No monsters can exceed 4 levels/ranks.

[Blake]

Standard: Seems like a stupid idea to make it so that you can only use cards released in the last 2 years, especially because a lot of Structure decks reach back to older cards. At that, STRUCTURE DECKS.
Extended: This seems like a bad idea because 15 is a much larger number and is never gonna be any different than the current format sans staples.
Deck Madness: So Dark Worlds, Agents, Sams, etc. rape everything?
Highlander: You can set up highlander tournies so IDK why it would need to be official.
Epic: Um... wat. You can play custom LP formats as well, but the 70 card minimum is a terrible idea, as is opening 7 cards.
Duel Terminal: By far the worst idea on the list because of what all was printed in the DTs and the fact that most cards in them are casual play that need non-DT cards to work in any way, shape, or form. There'd have to be extra rules that defeat the purpose of the format.

Overall, other formats aren't needed. Sealed Pack Play is the only one I think is needed, and that's mostly for reprints.

[HSektor]

Well, most of this formats ideas come from Magic, I know that magic is a completely different game, but come on it wouldn't hurt to try out new things. About the Standard, the point of this format is exactly about making "bad cards" less bad.


About the epic format and the 70 minimum, the idea of this format is to make the game slower without make stall and burn good. Also, remember that all these formats would be mostly for casual playing, just like Pegasus Challenge.

[Blake]

[quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1336115468' post='5932333']
Well, most of this formats ideas come from Magic, I know that magic is a completely different game, but come on it wouldn't hurt to try out new things. About the Standard, the point of this format is exactly about making "bad cards" less bad.

About the epic format and the 70 minimum, the idea of this format is to make the game slower without make stall and burn good. Also, remember that all these formats would be mostly for casual playing, just like Pegasus Challenge.
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Even for casual, they're generally bad ideas in a game like yugioh

But by making bad cards less bad, you make things like Wind-ups, Inzektors, etc. much BETTER because they still have the speed and consistency to take anything out. Just because it's casual does not mean people will play strictly casual there. Also, between 7 packs, there are 4 banlists. That means each and every pack will create a new meta deck or at least greatly push a deck upward, in some way shape or form. 7 is way too long a time to make anything like this, and anything smaller makes a format of WIN ALL or lose all.

70 card deck slaughters consistency of anything really and makes them nigh unplayable. Even 50,000, 100,000, or 500,000 LP decks can be made without allowing Stall/Exodia/Etc. Cards like Meklord Emperor Granel, Ancient Sacred Wyvern, Vennominaga (Only time it's a legit alt win condition), and Endless Decay make this possible, and thus make an entirely different meta based around cards like that.

[HSektor]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336116017' post='5932334']
But by making bad cards less bad, you make things like Wind-ups, Inzektors, etc. much BETTER because they still have the speed and consistency to take anything out. Just because it's casual does not mean people will play strictly casual there. Also, between 7 packs, there are 4 banlists. That means each and every pack will create a new meta deck or at least greatly push a deck upward, in some way shape or form. 7 is way too long a time to make anything like this, and anything smaller makes a format of WIN ALL or lose all.[/quote]

I see. What about 5 boosters for Standard and 10 for extended? Also, the idea of "every pack will create a new meta" is exactly what I want. Make every card in a booster matter.

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336116017' post='5932334']70 card deck slaughters consistency of anything really and makes them nigh unplayable. Even 50,000, 100,000, or 500,000 LP decks can be made without allowing Stall/Exodia/Etc. Cards like Meklord Emperor Granel, Ancient Sacred Wyvern, Vennominaga (Only time it's a legit alt win condition), and Endless Decay make this possible, and thus make an entirely different meta based around cards like that.
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I don't see this as something bad, but maybe 70 is really too much, what about 60 then? Because the "less consistency" is also something what I want in this specific "Epic" format.

[Blake]

[quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1336116436' post='5932337']
I see. What about 5 boosters for Standard and 10 for extended? Also, the idea of "every pack will create a new meta" is exactly what I want. Make every card in a booster matter.


I don't see this as something bad, but maybe 70 is really too much, what about 60 then? Because the "less consistency" is also something what I want in this specific "Epic" format.
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Except that doesn't do that. It makes Evol/Hieratic/Inzektor/Wind-up tier, all of which are in the top 2 tiers IRL in either TCG or OCG, if not both. Like I said, 7+ is too much, 6- is too little. 6- means that each set alone completely redefines everything and makes you paly essentially sneak-peak tourneys with the format unless some previous monster came out. 7+ makes it so the format is completely pointless as you have the same meta game as normal, most likely.

Lowering consistency, even for the name of casual, is never a good thing. Even 60 is way too high a minimum. I mean, Why play if it's absolutely luck based with no semblance of consistency? Then your deck is basically Draw Power + Whatever + Search and moar draw in an attempt to have some consistency, which you still don't have.

[Bringerofcake]

Instead of being able to choose cards from a structure, you should be forced to choose a structure deck. Obviously DW, Sams, Agents would be up there, but we also have Machinas, Endymion and such, so it's at least kinda varied.

[Zeal Ascendant]

Draft and sealed. At least konami is leaning toward sealed, but I still want a pack optimized for draft.

[This Account is Unplayable]

If you love Magic's formats so much then play those. They don't just directly translate to yugioh.

Alternate formats don't even seem necessary, when you have a very obvious casual/competitive split for yugioh, and all of your suggestions butcher the main reason people play yugioh and that's that it minimalises luck for a card game.

[HSektor]

[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1336116924' post='5932339']
Except that doesn't do that. It makes Evol/Hieratic/Inzektor/Wind-up tier, all of which are in the top 2 tiers IRL in either TCG or OCG, if not both. Like I said, 7+ is too much, 6- is too little. 6- means that each set alone completely redefines everything and makes you paly essentially sneak-peak tourneys with the format unless some previous monster came out. 7+ makes it so the format is completely pointless as you have the same meta game as normal, most likely.

Lowering consistency, even for the name of casual, is never a good thing. Even 60 is way too high a minimum. I mean, Why play if it's absolutely luck based with no semblance of consistency? Then your deck is basically Draw Power + Whatever + Search and moar draw in an attempt to have some consistency, which you still don't have.
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Well...okay.jpg

I still want to try out these formats anyway, they seem fun to me, but that's is just my opinion.


[quote name='Bringerofcake' timestamp='1336122746' post='5932364']
Instead of being able to choose cards from a structure, you should be forced to choose a structure deck. Obviously DW, Sams, Agents would be up there, but we also have Machinas, Endymion and such, so it's at least kinda varied.
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[quote name='Zeal Ascendant' timestamp='1336134891' post='5932394']
Draft and sealed. At least konami is leaning toward sealed, but I still want a pack optimized for draft.
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I think that these both kinds of game should be encoraged too.