Shining Rainbow

[b0b3rt]

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[2] Rainbow Dragon
[3] Elemental Hero Neos

[3] Elemental Hero Prisma
[1] Elemental Hero Stratos

[3] Neo-Spacian Glow Moss
[2] Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin
[1] Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

[2] Summoner Monk

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[3] Upstart Goblin
[3] Convert Contact
[3] Pot of Duality
[3] Miracle Contact
[3] Miracle Fusion
[3] A Hero Lives
[1] Reinforcement of the Army
[1] Heavy Storm
[1] Dark Hole
[1] Future Fusion
[1] Book of Moon

Extra (15)
[2] Rainbow Neos
[1] Elemental Hero Aqua Neos
[1] Elemental Hero Grand Neos
[1] Elemental Hero Neos Knight
[3] Elemental Hero The Shining
[2] Elemental Hero Absolute Zero
[2] Lavalval Chain
[1] Daigusto Emeral
[1] Blade Armor Ninja
[1] Utopia

Notes:
Convert Contact is simultaneously draw power, deck thinning, and fodder for both Miracles (though usually Fusion). A Hero Lives used to be E-Call but I found my hand clogged with Prisma all the time. Normal summons are ridiculously valuable for this deck and being able to go into Lavalval Chain turn 1 is pretty essential.

Thoughts on making it go faster?

[Alice Moonflowyr]

>No Alius
>No E-Call
>Wat

No really. Why are you not running Alius and Ecall?

And what purpose do the Neo-Spacians outside of Mole have?

Why oh why are you running the Neos Fusions? Except for Rainbow Neos, as that's obviously part of the deck, they should really all go.

Also, no Reborn.

[b0b3rt]

[quote]Notes:
Convert Contact is simultaneously draw power, deck thinning, and fodder for both Miracles (though usually Fusion). A Hero Lives used to be E-Call but I found my hand clogged with Prisma all the time. Normal summons are ridiculously valuable for this deck and being able to go into Lavalval Chain turn 1 is pretty essential.[/quote]

Why would I use Alius?

[Alice Moonflowyr]

Because Alius is the second best nonfusion hero? Maybe?

And because it would let you run Ecall, adding major consistency to your deck.

And because it replaces the Neo Spacians which are all horrible outside of Mole.

And because it lets you run Honest.

And because it lets you run Gemini Spark.

I could go on. Shall I?

[b0b3rt]

That's not the point of the deck. Like I said, I can't afford to waste normal summons - I need to get material in the grave as fast as possible and Alius doesn't add to the speed of the deck (outside of Gemini Spark, but again, that requires a normal summon).

The Neo-Spacians are used for Convert Contact, or do you think that a +0 draw engine that also thins the deck and provides material for Miracle Fusion is bad?

[Alice Moonflowyr]

Except you could run so much other stuff. Twin Photon Lizard for instance. You're already running Future Fusion. And, I cannot stress this bit enough, [b]all neo-spacian stuff outside of Mole is total. utter. crap. They're toilet paper.[/b]

And also, you arent running Monster Reborn. wtf is up with that I wonder?

Alius helps the speed and the power. He gives you more Ecall targets, letting you search easier. He lets Honest be added, which you should be running anyway btw, increasing this power by a lot.

And I do hope I don't need to explain Gemini Spark.

Alius' pros outweigh the cons that you've outlined by a landslide.

[b0b3rt]

Have you read a single thing I said?

In order:
No Reborn because I need stuff [i]in the grave[/i].
No Alius/Spark because [i]it's too slow[/i].
E-Call is s*** because I don't need stuff in my hand, I need it on the field and in the grave.
Honest is s*** because if I can't run over something with Shining/Rainbow I'm f***ed in any case.
[b]I'm not using the Neo-Spacians as anything but a draw engine, which happens to be faster than Alius + Spark.[/b]

[Alice Moonflowyr]

So, because you need stuff in the grave, no reborn.

...

wat.

That is bull. Reborn is one of the best cards in the game. Unless you run something along the lines of Countdown or something, there is absolutely NO reason not to run it.

Alius+Spark is a crap draw engine, Alius is simply epic in the way that he is [i]so damn versatile. [/i]He's a beatstick, fusion fodder, Xyz material, etc.

Honest deserves a fracking BAN and your calling it sh*t? Dude, learn yugiohs. Honest is run in decks that have lots of LIGHTs. Because he is epic. Not only is he the best hand trap ever invented, he's also a great way to push for game. He's not just for running stuff over.

NEO SPACIANS ARE CRAP. Even AS a draw engine! Speed in a HERO deck is great, but not if its a major risk. Spacians have a crazy deaddraw risk in there, where as running Alius and E-Call don't. Granted, they still have a small risk factor, but what doesnt?

All your points make zero sense.

[Cherz]

[quote name='~Spike~' timestamp='1338081039' post='5947484']
So, because you need stuff in the grave, no reborn.

...

wat.

That is bull. Reborn is one of the best cards in the game. Unless you run something along the lines of Countdown or something, there is absolutely NO reason not to run it.

Alius+Spark is a crap draw engine, Alius is simply epic in the way that he is [i]so damn versatile. [/i]He's a beatstick, fusion fodder, Xyz material, etc.

Honest deserves a fracking BAN and your calling it sh*t? Dude, learn yugiohs. Honest is run in decks that have lots of LIGHTs. Because he is epic. Not only is he the best hand trap ever invented, he's also a great way to push for game. He's not just for running stuff over.

NEO SPACIANS ARE CRAP. Even AS a draw engine! Speed in a HERO deck is great, but not if its a major risk. Spacians have a crazy deaddraw risk in there, where as running Alius and E-Call don't. Granted, they still have a small risk factor, but what doesnt?

All your points make zero sense.
[/quote]

Reborn? Getting cards in grave, they asociate!!! They are like one! What do you mean! okay, you need stuff in grave, it gets from your opponents grave? Even so, it helps speed everything up. USE IT!!

Gemini spark and allius is already epic. About to die in battle? not any more, your card dies, and i draw. Allius has a good 1900 atk, wich runs over most everything!

Honest. No, just no. Honest is amazing. it is way op, and like spike said, deserves a ban. Makes a decent hand trap, nice def, not like youll use it, but still. Light decks NEED NEED NEEEEED it!

neospacians are junk. junk mixed with crap. Horrible stats, and huge dead draw rate. Those horrible things, exept grandmole, are easily replaced with [i]real[/i] staples. im sorry to say it, until you learn to accept the fact that we are trying to [i][b]HELP[/b][/i] you, then you will never get better.

[Βyakuya]

BTW Miracle Contact does not work with Rainbow Neos. Because it doesn't have a "treated as Fusion Summon" clause, it does not work, even with the Fusion materials. Just sayin' from past experience.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

[quote name='~Spike~' timestamp='1338081039' post='5947484']
So, because you need stuff in the grave, no reborn.

...

wat.

That is bull. Reborn is one of the best cards in the game. Unless you run something along the lines of Countdown or something, there is absolutely NO reason not to run it.

Alius+Spark is a crap draw engine, Alius is simply epic in the way that he is [i]so damn versatile. [/i]He's a beatstick, fusion fodder, Xyz material, etc.

Honest deserves a fracking BAN and your calling it sh*t? Dude, learn yugiohs. Honest is run in decks that have lots of LIGHTs. Because he is epic. Not only is he the best hand trap ever invented, he's also a great way to push for game. He's not just for running stuff over.

NEO SPACIANS ARE CRAP. Even AS a draw engine! Speed in a HERO deck is great, but not if its a major risk. Spacians have a crazy deaddraw risk in there, where as running Alius and E-Call don't. Granted, they still have a small risk factor, but what doesnt?

All your points make zero sense.
[/quote]

Those are all valid points, Spike.

I honestly believe that with Alius and E-Call, this deck gains much more consistency.
Still can't figure out why he isn't using Monster Reborn though.

-3 Moss
-2 Dolphin
-3 Convert Contact
-1 A hero lives

+3 Alius
+2 Spark
+1 Honest
+1 Reborn
+2 E-Call

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

[quote name='~Spike~' timestamp='1338081039' post='5947484']
So, because you need stuff in the grave, no reborn.

...

wat.

That is bull. Reborn is one of the best cards in the game. Unless you run something along the lines of Countdown or something, there is absolutely NO reason not to run it.

Alius+Spark is a crap draw engine, Alius is simply epic in the way that he is [i]so damn versatile. [/i]He's a beatstick, fusion fodder, Xyz material, etc.

Honest deserves a fracking BAN and your calling it sh*t? Dude, learn yugiohs. Honest is run in decks that have lots of LIGHTs. Because he is epic. Not only is he the best hand trap ever invented, he's also a great way to push for game. He's not just for running stuff over.

NEO SPACIANS ARE CRAP. Even AS a draw engine! Speed in a HERO deck is great, but not if its a major risk. Spacians have a crazy deaddraw risk in there, where as running Alius and E-Call don't. Granted, they still have a small risk factor, but what doesnt?

All your points make zero sense.
[/quote]

Those are all valid points, Spike.

I honestly believe that with Alius and E-Call, this deck gains much more consistency.
Still can't figure out why he isn't using Monster Reborn though.

-3 Moss
-2 Dolphin
-3 Convert Contact
-1 A hero lives

+3 Alius
+2 Spark
+1 Honest
+1 Reborn
+2 E-Call

[Bringerofcake]

[quote name='Βyakuya Kuchiki' timestamp='1338083373' post='5947504']
BTW Miracle Contact does not work with Rainbow Neos. Because it doesn't have a "treated as Fusion Summon" clause, it does not work, even with the Fusion materials. Just sayin' from past experience.
[/quote]
Miracle Contact doesn't work because you can only fuse with Elemental Heroes. And OP, as of right now you have no way of summoning Rainbow Neos because none of your cards can summon it. Both of them can only summon Elemental Heroes. So I suggest you start over, but not because BLAH BLAH NEO SPACIANS SUCK AAAAAAAGHGHGH

[.Rai]

Haven't we learnt that [b]every single[/b] deck thread with disagreeing people ends up as a multiple page spamfest of raging hormones and opinion?

Besides one of the rules is to take constructive advice, not to reject it.

Admittedly, the deck's not terrible, but there's a lot to be improved on.

Alius isn't really for a draw engine, but it gives pretty much all Hero decks the consistency they need. It's not, however, always a staple (especially in turbo decks, which is what you're aiming for, I guess).

As you are basically trying to attack without threats, and perhaps OTKing at times, 3 MST is basically a must, especially in this format where 3 MST are basically far too important.

And I've got to say, Neo-Spacian Glow Moss and Dark Panther and Aqua Dolphin are definitely good cards, Spike. Dolphin has its entire own deck, and Glow Moss and Dark Panther are the basis for Neo-Spacian Chaos. I would definitely split one Glow Moss for a Dark Panther if you must use the Neo-Spacian engine since the ability steal is often useful in this format (but I'd suggest using a different engine, just because Neo-Spacians don't do enough for you to warrant its inclusion).

You might as well go pure-out offensive, and replace the Neo-Spacian engine with Tour Guides and Gold Sarcophaguses. Which gives you enough space for things like things like Monster Reborn. I know you want to 'get things in the grave', but, ultimately, it's a great clutch to fall back on because you're never gonna have an 100% success rate here.

And, most importantly, [b]you do actually need a legit way of summoning Rainbow Neos.[/b]

[TheKaitoKid]

*Reads decklist* Uh...how the hell do you plan to get Rainbow Neos to field? Neither Miracles allow you to get our Rainbow Neos. Future Fusion is your only bet and with all of the S/T hate this format it's not likely that it'll stay on the field for any significant amount of time. Also like everyone else is saying, you're lacking Alius + Spark though I guess it's not needed if you're going for some kind of Turbo build. Still, you need to find a way to fit a Poly [or Super, though neither one are particularly great in what you're trying to do here] to get out Rainbow Neos cause FuFu just isn't going to cut it. Also Honest is pretty good choice, especially with so many targets [Neos, Prisma, Rainbow Neos, Shining, Utopia etc.]