Enrise Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 What I want to know is, where was the [i]other[/i] lifeguard? Was there any other lifeguards supervising that area? If not, then why not? Obviously, having enough, or even more than enough, lifeguards would be beneficial to everyone at the beach. So if that's the case, why wasn't there a lifeguard there in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='Death Penguin' timestamp='1341699451' post='5969805'] What I want to know is, where was the [i]other[/i] lifeguard? Was there any other lifeguards supervising that area? If not, then why not? Obviously, having enough, or even more than enough, lifeguards would be beneficial to everyone at the beach. So if that's the case, why wasn't there a lifeguard there in the first place? [/quote] Because it was an area of the beach not protected by the company that hired the lifeguards. So no lifeguard was ever supposed to go over there, according to the company rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I'm not saying the guy was wrong, just saying abandoning your post and risking something happen in your area can be just as bad as letting someone else drown. I probably would've done the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Î’yakuya Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 So apparently a job is worth more than a human being's life? No extra raise on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='Light Υagami' timestamp='1341772048' post='5970720'] So apparently a job is worth more than a human being's life? No extra raise on this one? [/quote] Who said that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Blame an entire country for the guy getting fired? Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 [quote name='Botvinnik' timestamp='1341925755' post='5972957'] Blame an entire country for the guy getting fired? Seems legit. [/quote] Don't think that was the intention of anyone. If anything, they were blaming the capitalist nature of the country and you should know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1341935458' post='5973038'] Don't think that was the intention of anyone. If anything, they were blaming the capitalist nature of the country and you should know that. [/quote] I'm distrustful of corporations and big business, extremely distrustful. I believe in heavy taxation of them and as much regulation as possible. However, tying this isolated case into some kind of "It's all capitalism's fault" nutbag conspiracy seems to me to be utterly ridiculous. I don't like capitalism and think it will only "work" if it is subject to a lot of regulation. But if you look at this case from an economic point of view, you are left with this: the actions of this lifeguard were morally correct and the rational action (from the lifeguard's perspective). However, if policy is that "A lifeguard leaving his area will be fired", then there can be nothing to complain about. They should make an exception and not fire him, I agree. They should be repudiated for not making an exception, I agree. It throws up questions about where the guard for that area was and what he should be doing, I agree. However, if they are following policy and excluding the details, then it should have been expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 [quote name='Botvinnik' timestamp='1342219627' post='5976944'] I'm distrustful of corporations and big business, extremely distrustful. I believe in heavy taxation of them and as much regulation as possible. However, tying this isolated case into some kind of "It's all capitalism's fault" nutbag conspiracy seems to me to be utterly ridiculous. I don't like capitalism and think it will only "work" if it is subject to a lot of regulation. But if you look at this case from an economic point of view, you are left with this: the actions of this lifeguard were morally correct and the rational action (from the lifeguard's perspective). However, if policy is that "A lifeguard leaving his area will be fired", then there can be nothing to complain about. They should make an exception and not fire him, I agree. They should be repudiated for not making an exception, I agree. It throws up questions about where the guard for that area was and what he should be doing, I agree. However, if they are following policy and excluding the details, then it should have been expected. [/quote] It's difficult for me to be distrustful of corporations, there's always someone making those decisions so I don't think it would be fair to blame the business as a whole. I also believe in heavy taxation of them (of course, they'll tell you that such an act would be unfair as they've worked hard to earn that money). I also don't think anyone here was saying he was anything but morally correct in his actions, I don't remember half the posts in this thread to be fair so I could be way off there. In juxtaposition to that, I wasn't saying the employer was anything but morally wrong, which is why I think a lot of people don't see it as the expected response (a bit of common sense had to be applied, surely?). Technically speaking - yes the employer was entirely within reason to fire him for his actions... that doesn't mean he should have, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 [center]So 2000 years after Christ said to preserve man over tradition if push came to shove, people still don't get it.[/center] [center]Jesus f***ing Christ.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enrise Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 [quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1342268960' post='5977706'] [center]So 2000 years after Christ said to preserve man over tradition if push came to shove, people still don't get it.[/center] [center]Jesus f***ing Christ.[/center] [/quote] The boss could have been Jewish. Would he matter then? No. Would he matter otherwise? No, if not, hardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1341679794' post='5969511'] There was the chance that could have happened though. Do you leave your appointed area and risk many lives to save one? Or keep watch over potential threats and ignore the current threat? [/quote] [color=#000066][b]If you look here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/04/2881484/lifeguard-fired-for-rescue-outside.html[/b][/color] [color=#000066][b]It says this: [/b][/color][quote][color=#1A2732][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][left]Other lifeguards watched Lopez's area during the rescue and were on the phone with 911 operators, the company said.[/left][/font][/color] [left][color=#1A2732][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]"The beach remained protected at all times," Ellis said.[/quote][/font][/color][/left] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Man321 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 WHAT!!!??? If that dude can't find another job quick Enough, I will Make my Parents Hire Him to do something in a hartbeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 [quote name='X-Man321' timestamp='1342568183' post='5981410'] WHAT!!!??? If that dude can't find another job quick Enough, I will Make my Parents Hire Him to do something in a hartbeat! [/quote]Because what you do totally matters to someone else. The guy saved a life, trying to help. That caused him his life. He seems to care more about others than himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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