werewolfjedi Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342025350' post='5974183'] @X-Sabers, I'll be honest, idek how they work or what they do, so if someone else could give their two cents, it'd be appreciated. @Laval/Flamvell, they're no threat in the TCG. And Chain Burn deserves to die. ._. [/quote] and your list doesn't touch the ENTIRE deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I think scapegoat should go to 2/3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 What's so derp design about ARA anyway,in exchange for running garbage your rituals become reasonably costed-for-reward than too high costed for too little reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1342025505' post='5974189'] and your list doesn't touch the ENTIRE deck. [/quote] Actually it does, I just forgot to add that Chain Strike and Ojama Trio are banned while Secret Barrel would be limited to the OP. [quote name='Kenji Inuma' timestamp='1342025481' post='5974188'] X-Sabers tend to be a decently fast paced deck and have some nasty cards. If Gyzarus saw a ban...idk y this guy might no see it also: *hyunlei* Also, they tend to Synchro Spam, and even with brio gone they can generate some nasty +s. @Laval/Flamvells = But this is still gonna affect they way they play with "this" ban list :S [/quote] Can X-Sabers honestly even form a decent field anymore? Honest question. And Gyzarus is far easier to spam than almost any other Fusion monster in the game and was what was keeping Besti @1 anyway. They still wouldn't see play. They require far too much setup. I mean if people really want me to I could just go ahead and say Rekindling's banned, it makes no real difference to this format anyway. [quote name='byakksmodeus' timestamp='1342025791' post='5974191'] I think scapegoat should go to 2/3 [/quote] Synchros are still a thing, and Scapegoat is basically a synchro of any level you want, so I'd be incredibly iffy on bumping it past 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Î’yakuya Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Chris, do you have any opinions on Dark Magician of Chaos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1342025999' post='5974194'] What's so derp design about ARA anyway,in exchange for running garbage your rituals become reasonably costed-for-reward than too high costed for too little reward. [/quote] The derp design is that in theory it seems like it'd make Perfect Herald retardedly consistent. And honestly the deck just ruins the player interaction. One player basically prays his opponent doesn't have a hand of fairies while he then has to stall to get to more possible outs while the Perfect Herald player just draws more Fairies.[quote name='Light Υagami' timestamp='1342026102' post='5974199'] Chris, do you have any opinions on Dark Magician of Chaos? [/quote] It'd be either too good or useless. No reason to bring it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342026012' post='5974195'] Synchros are still a thing, and Scapegoat is basically a synchro of any level you want, so I'd be incredibly iffy on bumping it past 1. [/quote] Isnt it a -1 for a synchro and a bit slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The reason why I mentioned X-Sabers is mainly because of a key tuner called "Plaguespreader". It was mentioned at being 2-3 though it was still in question (though now I'm getting the idea that it might not be AS devestating as I thought). I guess testing would be nice, so I'd like to join in testing this ban list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sure it can make any synchro, but making a synchro that isn't a -1 with this card doesn't come by often, and scapegoats in itself is a skill defining card plus stall decks have no win condition so this card isn't bad for being used as stall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1342026196' post='5974202'] Isnt it a -1 for a synchro and a bit slow? [/quote] I'm trying to make a format where a 2 turn combo isn't slow. So... not slow really at all. And every synchro is a "-1" by design, but with the utility Scapegoat gives it's just insane.[quote name='byakksmodeus' timestamp='1342026238' post='5974205'] Sure it can make any synchro, but making a synchro that isn't a -1 with this card doesn't come by often, and scapegoats in itself is a skill defining card plus stall decks have no win condition so this card isn't bad for being used as stall [/quote] Well it wouldn't hurt to test it I guess. Just seems to add uncanny utility to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 there aren't many utility synchros to go with goats unless you use level four tuners, especially with brio and librarian gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Actually yeah that's a good point. And seeing as the only decent level 4 tuner is Spore (I assume you see my point) then I guess there's no reason not to put it @2 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I also advocate dandylion to 2 because having decks that resemble earlier stages of palnts imo is good for the game but I figure someone will b**** about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Plants actually would be nice to have without Librarian. They can generate some decent plays without all those extra draws, so a second Dandy would help, and even promotes the use of Debris a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I'd like to hear why multiple Dandys would be at all good for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Do sabers even run plague? [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342026174' post='5974200'] The derp design is that in theory it seems like it'd make Perfect Herald retardedly consistent. And honestly the deck just ruins the player interaction. One player basically prays his opponent doesn't have a hand of fairies while he then has to stall to get to more possible outs while the Perfect Herald player just draws more Fairies. [/quote] It's better to run agent herald since it doesnt clog as much as ARA herald,has a few more consistent win conditions outside of ARA into herald in venus/hyperion,and is just better than ARA herald. Trash herald if you dont like how the deck works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1342026872' post='5974224'] Do sabers even run plague? [/quote] Its a viable posibility since they can search things pretty decently. But then again *shrugs*, that's why I want to test now. @Dandy at 2 seems decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werewolfjedi Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342026012' post='5974195'] Actually it does, I just forgot to add that Chain Strike and Ojama Trio are banned while Secret Barrel would be limited to the OP. [/quote] lol, then we get the counter damage build then. which isn't all that bad really, but it will be running mass field counter or just chain out every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1342031605' post='5974359'] lol, then we get the counter damage build then. which isn't all that bad really, but it will be running mass field counter or just chain out every time. [/quote] Anti-Burn? Despite the fact that it's technically an OTK deck, it plays much more like control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342026504' post='5974215'] Actually yeah that's a good point. And seeing as the only decent level 4 tuner is Spore (I assume you see my point) then I guess there's no reason not to put it @2 or 3. [/quote] Plasma Format....I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Unban Thousand Eyes Restrict. Come on, it'd be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Botvinnik' timestamp='1342133561' post='5975974'] Unban Thousand Eyes Restrict. Come on, it'd be fun. [/quote] I see no reason not to. Without Metamorphosis it's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342145597' post='5976147'] I see no reason not to. Without Metamorphosis it's crap. [/quote] There's the fact that Instant Fusion becomes a Revivable +1 that feeds into Formula, though the formula part is less valid now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1342145910' post='5976151'] There's the fact that Instant Fusion becomes a Revivable +1 that feeds into Formula, though the formula part is less valid now. [/quote] Instant Fusion is a +0 that makes a revivable +1. MST is still @3, with Call being the only form of good revival (And Reborn I guess). And you can't base a deck solely around Instant Fusion unless you like losing. Seems pretty fair to me.Oh and updated the OP with all the changes from the last page. Also: Thoughts on banning Honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1342146230' post='5976159'] Instant Fusion is a +0 that makes a revivable +1. MST is still @3, with Call being the only form of good revival (And Reborn I guess). And you can't base a deck solely around Instant Fusion unless you like losing. Seems pretty fair to me. [/quote] -1 Instant Fusion +1 Restrict +1 Absorb That's a +1, not a +0 It makes Instant Fusion a free out to almost any monster that can then be used for a Synchro/Tribute and hasn't eaten up your normal summon. It's basically mind control, but restricted to Level 1. If Mind Control should go, Restrict shouldn't come back. And when Byakk did his custom format thingy, he found Restrict to be too abusable with Instant Fusion.EDIT: And Honest needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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