El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1344010588' post='5996316'] So you find it fun to have 2 players just set 5 and have a monster? That's boring as f***. [/quote] I do... Personally I love slower games that grind out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011164' post='5996324'] I do... Personally I love slower games that grind out. [/quote] Then go play MTG or something. The speed is the appeal of Yu-Gi-Oh!, so trying to constantly kill it is stupid. Speed's not a problem in and of itself, it's just this game's appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1344010897' post='5996318'] Boring? Maybe. Harmful to the game. Not likely. [/quote] These 2 statements contradict eachother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1344011142' post='5996322'] Boring isn't bad for the game? What on earth? [/quote] What's more boring? Me: Set 5. Set a monster You: Set 5. Set a monster *Tension* Or Me: *Auto Pilot for 10 minutes* Exodia. GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1344011372' post='5996328'] What's more boring? Me: Set 5. Set a monster You: Set 5. Set a monster *Tension* Or Me: *Auto Pilot for 10 minutes* Exodia. GG. [/quote] Implying anyone said Exodia is good for the game and that it has ANY place in this game. Again, you really don't read your section at all if you're saying that to Cursed. Stop being such a b**** when you never have any points to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1344011372' post='5996328'] What's more boring? Me: Set 5. Set a monster You: Set 5. Set a monster *Tension* Or Me: *Auto Pilot for 10 minutes* Exodia. GG. [/quote] Exodia isn't in the meta. What the actual f*** are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344011151' post='5996323'] You clearly don't given you think Cold Wave can come back. [b]Its funny because Cold Wave was only seen as "broken" when it was being abused by decks that were already broken themselves. [/b] It's a necessary evil, not balanced. [b]There is no such thing as a necessary evil[/b] Why should a player be allowed to hoard multiple protection cards without any significant worry [b]Because Heavy is the only card that can deal with back row.[/b] March 2011 was a terrible format, to almost everyone. Just because you enjoyed it doesn't mean you're the majority. [b]A terrible format is based on opinion...some people hated it some people loved it...its the same as this format and last format and every other format. [/b] And having to devote too much deck space to S/T hate is bad for the game. You shouldn't have to spend 6-10 slots trying to keep your Opp's backrow in check. [b]We already do that with 3 MST, Heavy, Lance, Solemn.[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Edit: Awks, 'necessary evils' don't exist? Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils_principle [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1344011372' post='5996328'] What's more boring? Me: Set 5. Set a monster You: Set 5. Set a monster *Tension* Or Me: *Auto Pilot for 10 minutes* Exodia. GG. [/quote] Wait, what? Exodia would exist in both a format with or without Heavy making that second part completely irrelevant. Besides, it doesn't matter how boring it is, they're both boring. [b][u]In a format without Heavy; with or without OTK cards[/u][/b] To fix your statement: [quote]Me: Set 5. Set a monster You: Set 5. Set a monster *[b]stale game[/b]*[/quote] [b][u]In a format with Heavy; without OTK cards[/u][/b] Punished for less skilled overextension, and yet there's no fear of OTKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011644' post='5996335'] Its funny because Cold Wave was only seen as "broken" when it was being abused by decks that were already broken themselves. [/quote] It's funny cause the ability to seal S/T for 2 turns is obviously broken in any deck. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011644' post='5996335'] There is no such thing as a necessary evil [/quote] ... Yes, there is. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011644' post='5996335'] Because Heavy is the only card that can deal with back row. [/quote] Because running a ton of cards and compromising consistency in the name of killing Heavy is a good idea. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011644' post='5996335'] A terrible format is based on opinion...some people hated it some people loved it...its the same as this format and last format and every other format. [/quote] No one loved March 2011. It is WIDELY known as one of the worst formats. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344011644' post='5996335'] We already do that with 3 MST, Heavy, Lance, Solemn. [/quote] Not every deck has to run Lance, and Solemn is a GENERAL out. Hell, I guess Warning is an S/T out because it stops Starlight Road and Macro Cosmos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344011266' post='5996325'] Then go play MTG or something. The speed is the appeal of Yu-Gi-Oh!, so trying to constantly kill it is stupid. Speed's not a problem in and of itself, it's just this game's appeal. [/quote] I didn't know losing on turn 2 was appealing. The appeal of YuGiOh is not the Speed...if that was this games only selling point no one would enjoy playing slower decks, anti meta decks, control decks (decks the grind the game out in general) The appeal of this game is the various ways you can play it and its mechanics. Just because the "speed" appeals to you...doesn't mean that is the reason others play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344012047' post='5996342'] I didn't know losing on turn 2 was appealing. The appeal of YuGiOh is not the Speed...if that was this games only selling point no one would enjoy playing slower decks, anti meta decks, control decks (decks the grind the game out in general) The appeal of this game is the various ways you can play it and its mechanics. Just because the "speed" appeals to you...doesn't mean that is the reason others play. [/quote] ... Not everyone loses on turn 2. Stop being butthurt that you got OTKd, because not everyone loses that fast. The speed of the game is its selling point over the other card games. Yes, the mechanics help, like how luck based Vanguard is, but the speed is the MAIN selling point. Also, now you're just a plum hypocrite, because you want the game to be slow simply because it appeals to YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344012047' post='5996342'] I didn't know losing on turn 2 was appealing. The appeal of YuGiOh is not the Speed...if that was this games only selling point no one would enjoy playing slower decks, anti meta decks, control decks (decks the grind the game out in general) The appeal of this game is the various ways you can play it and its mechanics. Just because the "speed" appeals to you...doesn't mean that is the reason others play. [/quote] If you are interested by mechanics and various ways to play, play MtG :S They actually have 'mechanics' and the current meta in the most relevant format consists of about 8 established decktypes with a variety of able-to-top, undermeta decks. The fact that YGO is the midspeed TCG of the major three is why it's appealing. And that does mean you have to like the decent (and fast) speed of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Speed is a huge factor that made me prefer yugioh to MTG for oh so long. Admittedly I never knew RG aggro and Pod were decks in MTG, but that's irrelevant. If you want to play a game slowly with multiple mechanics, then play MTG honestly. I'd rather play Yugioh so that the games only last a short while, rather than a long drawn-out game. Admittedly, Goat control is a huge exception, but so much thought goes into the mirror is insane, whereas in regular yugioh nowadays the thought in a drawn out game is more of a "If I draw Heavy I win, if not, I stall for another turn". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 'I didn't know losing on turn 2 was appealing.' Right, now the only way you could possibly lose on turn 2 is of two options: 1. You faced an OTK. 2. You are awful. Or both. Now, if you did face an OTK, why would you want to ban Heavy and not the OTK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344011891' post='5996338'] It's funny cause the ability to seal S/T for 2 turns is obviously broken in any deck [b]Yet it was only an issue when it was being abused....or maybe I missed it when every deck was playing it in Goat Format.[/b] ... Yes, there is. [b]Evil is evil.[/b] Because running a ton of cards and compromising consistency in the name of killing Heavy is a good idea [b]Because[/b][b] decks were inconsistent when Heavy was banned.[/b] No one loved March 2011. It is WIDELY known as one of the worst formats. [b]Yet some people loved it...So I guess it does come down to opinion huh?[/b] Not every deck has to run Lance, and Solemn is a GENERAL out. Hell, I guess Warning is an S/T out because it stops Starlight Road and Macro Cosmos. [b]Oh you mean the same way not ever deck to has run a s*** load of back row or back row hate in a no Heavy Format? And yes Solemn is a general out...but its an out right?[/b] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Your extreme minority opinion for enjoying March 11 is a terrible argument. The extreme majority of competitive players despised March 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Have you literally never heard of the lesser of two evils principle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013018' post='5996355'] Yet it was only an issue when it was being abused....or maybe I missed it when every deck was playing it in Goat Format. [/quote] When the game was slower and it wasn't as usable. In the current game, with 2 Torrentials, 3 Solemns, and sometimes 2 Bottomless, the ability to get a free turns of set up at WORST is stupid good. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013018' post='5996355'] Evil is evil [/quote] Enlighten me, what super ideal world are YOU living in? [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013018' post='5996355'] Because decks were inconsistent when Heavy was banned. [/quote] With how you think adding a whole bunch of S/T hate into your deck, they would be less consistent. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013018' post='5996355'] Yet some people loved it...So I guess it does come down to opinion huh? [/quote] No one with any intelligence loved it. [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013018' post='5996355'] Oh you mean the same way not ever deck to has run a s*** load of back row or back row hate in a no Heavy Format? And yes Solemn is a general out...but its an out right? [/quote] No, I'm going off your thoughts. You shoudl try double checking what you say. You can't use a general out when you're talking about specific outs. That's obviously stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344012223' post='5996344'] ... Not everyone loses on turn 2. Stop being butthurt that you got OTKd, because not everyone loses that fast. The speed of the game is its selling point over the other card games. Yes, the mechanics help, like how luck based Vanguard is, but the speed is the MAIN selling point. Also, now you're just a plum hypocrite, because you want the game to be slow simply because it appeals to YOU. [/quote] No one it butt hurt, stop being a jackass. And how am I being a hypocrite? Again....the main selling point of yugioh is how the game is played...just because the speed appeals to some people does not mean it is the selling point for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1344013670' post='5996365'] No one it butt hurt, stop being a jackass. And how am I being a hypocrite? Again....the main selling point of yugioh is how the game is played...just because the speed appeals to some people does not mean it is the selling point for everyone. [/quote] You clearly are butthurt. Next to no one loses on turn 2, and you have to be absolutely terrible or playing an OTK that's bad for the game anyway to have that happen. No, the speed is definitely the main selling point, at the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1344013208' post='5996357'] Have you literally never heard of the lesser of two evils principle? [/quote] I have..I just don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 What actually appeals to you about YGO if it's not speed? And please don't say 'mechanics' or 'various ways you can play', because frankly, YGO is the worse of the major TCGs when it comes to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 tbh, yugioh's mechanics are only inferior to MTG's. The difference between the two is the speed, at the core of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1344013900' post='5996371'] What actually appeals to you about YGO if it's not speed? And please don't say 'mechanics' or 'various ways you can play', because frankly, YGO is the worse of the major TCGs when it comes to that. [/quote] The [s]hentai[/s] artwork is obviously why. I mean seriously, that's what being a good player is about. Admiring the artwork. omg. Also, MST@2 Heavy@1 all the way here. MST's far too viable to be @3, seeing as how we have so many more skillful alternatives to the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344013772' post='5996369'] You clearly are butthurt. Next to no one loses on turn 2, and you have to be absolutely terrible or playing an OTK that's bad for the game anyway to have that happen. No, the speed is definitely the main selling point, at the core. [/quote] Seems you don't get the point of an exaggeration.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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