WhiteDarkness Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 So me being new, I made my first card. [img]http://i.imgur.com/DNgii.jpg[/img] Effect: When this card is Summoned, discard 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard. The original ATK of this card is equal to its level x500. If this card in face-up Attack Position is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you may Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position during your next Standby Phase by sending up to 3 cards from the top of your Deck to the Graveyard. This card's level increases by 1 for each card sent to the Graveyard in this way. Comments are appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fooly000 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 7/10 i think its intresting and thanks to a lot of level changing cards could be a great way to get XYZ out on the field or hold the fort till you get another monster for an XYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 After its initial death, it becomes an unkillable 2000 attacker that mills your Deck. This is not acceptable. Milling is generally a good thing and being a DARK Zombie means this card's easy to get out. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteDarkness Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 So then what do you propose I change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 There needs to be a cost involved that deprives you of card presence, like "banish 1 monster from your hand". Less ATK per Level would also help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomflyingobjects Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 At first glance, it seems like a great, fully-balanced card. After a bit of thinking though, it is proved to be broken. Though 2000 ATK is hardly unkillable, his effect can constantly re-apply in a never-ending defensive loop that can combo with every deck that benefits from a large graveyard. It should have to be banished after use or something, maybe have a higher cost, like, say, you have to ditch a card on the field, or in the hand. It could also make you toss some Life Points if it can constanly recycle itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteDarkness Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote name='Randomflyingobjects' timestamp='1344048831' post='5996882'] At first glance, it seems like a great, fully-balanced card. After a bit of thinking though, it is proved to be broken. Though 2000 ATK is hardly unkillable, his effect can constantly re-apply in a never-ending defensive loop that can combo with every deck that benefits from a large graveyard. It should have to be banished after use or something, maybe have a higher cost, like, say, you have to ditch a card on the field, or in the hand. It could also make you toss some Life Points if it can constanly recycle itself. [/quote] Would this be better? [img]http://i.imgur.com/oIpyr.jpg[/img] Effect: The original ATK of this card is equal to its level x500. If this card in face-up Attack Position is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you may Special Summon it from the Graveyard by banishing up to 3 cards from your hand. This card's level increases by 1 for each card banished in this way. When this card is sent to the Graveyard, its level is reduced to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Banishing from your hand would suck IMO. [b]These are my suggestions:[/b] -Make it's DEF 0. That way it's more targetable by cards that want to have it back. -Make it revive in Defense Position. That way it's own ATK boost is not gonna bother your opponent as much. -Then, either: A ) Give it an additional "discard 1 card" cost to prevent it being revived with no looses from you forever. B ) Give it a specific time to revive, which means that won't be an infinite wall, but it won't need the cost like this. Something like the revive being "during your next Standby Phase", or "during the End Phase" would work. The thing about it is, each time your monster leaves the field, it's Level goes back to 1, so it will never really go over the 2000 ATK mark, though it's an interesting card to use with "Galaxy Queen's Light" and "Give and Take", which can massively raise it's Level for a nice temporal beatstick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteDarkness Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1344378809' post='6000438'] Banishing from your hand would suck IMO. [b]These are my suggestions:[/b] -Make it's DEF 0. That way it's more targetable by cards that want to have it back. -Make it revive in Defense Position. That way it's own ATK boost is not gonna bother your opponent as much. -Then, either: A ) Give it an additional "discard 1 card" cost to prevent it being revived with no looses from you forever. B ) Give it a specific time to revive, which means that won't be an infinite wall, but it won't need the cost like this. Something like the revive being "during your next Standby Phase", or "during the End Phase" would work. The thing about it is, each time your monster leaves the field, it's Level goes back to 1, so it will never really go over the 2000 ATK mark, though it's an interesting card to use with "Galaxy Queen's Light" and "Give and Take", which can massively raise it's Level for a nice temporal beatstick. [/quote] So this, then? [img]http://i.imgur.com/DrOLb.jpg[/img] Effect: When this card is Summoned, discard 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard. The original ATK of this card is equal to its level x500. If this card in face-up Attack Position is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you may Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position during your next Standby Phase by sending up to 3 cards from the top of your Deck to the Graveyard. This card's level increases by 1 for each card sent to the Graveyard in this way. When this card is sent to the Graveyard, its level is reduced to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 You didn't understand me. I said that, by definition, because of the RULES, anything that gained/lost Level/Rank/ATK/DEF, looses those changes when they leave the field. Your Blue Eyes equipped with Axe of Despair won't keep having that extra 1000 ATK in the Graveyard. The last part you wrote is a bit redundant in there. and I haven't read the comments left by other people so, there is a possibility that some of us don't share the same opinion. Don't completely change it to fit the newest commenter's taste ;D just take the info you feel is useful. I thought about "during your next Standby Phase" because that way, you won't be able to change it to Attack Position because it was just Summoned that turn, and people would stop complaining that it's a 2000 ATK beatstick (even though 2000 isn't exactly "unreachable"). In short, take out the "When this card is sent to the Graveyard, it's Level is reduced to 1" part. That part will happen wether it's written in there or not xD Otherwise I love the card. being 0 DEF makes it viable with this card: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110702013948/yugioh/images/thumb/a/a7/RecurringNightmare-GLD4-EN-C-LE.png/300px-RecurringNightmare-GLD4-EN-C-LE.png[/img] and it having "?" ATK makes me able to finally make a Deck with: [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725012142/yugioh/images/thumb/4/45/CatoblepasandtheWitchofFateSOVR-EN-R-UE.jpg/300px-CatoblepasandtheWitchofFateSOVR-EN-R-UE.jpg[/img] plus all the Zombie and DARK support, and the card "One for One". but that's just me. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteDarkness Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1344380310' post='6000507'] You didn't understand me. I said that, by definition, because of the RULES, anything that gained/lost Level/Rank/ATK/DEF, looses those changes when they leave the field. Your Blue Eyes equipped with Axe of Despair won't keep having that extra 1000 ATK in the Graveyard. The last part you wrote is a bit redundant in there. and I haven't read the comments left by other people so, there is a possibility that some of us don't share the same opinion. Don't completely change it to fit the newest commenter's taste ;D just take the info you feel is useful. I thought about "during your next Standby Phase" because that way, you won't be able to change it to Attack Position because it was just Summoned that turn, and people would stop complaining that it's a 2000 ATK beatstick (even though 2000 isn't exactly "unreachable"). In short, take out the "When this card is sent to the Graveyard, it's Level is reduced to 1" part. That part will happen wether it's written in there or not xD Otherwise I love the card. being 0 DEF makes it viable with this card: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110702013948/yugioh/images/thumb/a/a7/RecurringNightmare-GLD4-EN-C-LE.png/300px-RecurringNightmare-GLD4-EN-C-LE.png[/img] and it having "?" ATK makes me able to finally make a Deck with: [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100725012142/yugioh/images/thumb/4/45/CatoblepasandtheWitchofFateSOVR-EN-R-UE.jpg/300px-CatoblepasandtheWitchofFateSOVR-EN-R-UE.jpg[/img] plus all the Zombie and DARK support, and the card "One for One". but that's just me. =P [/quote] Awesome, thanks. [img]http://i.imgur.com/ImVnX.jpg[/img] Effect: When this card is Summoned, discard 1 card from your hand to the Graveyard. The original ATK of this card is equal to its level x500. If this card in face-up Attack Position is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you may Special Summon it in face-up Defense Position during your next Standby Phase by sending up to 3 cards from the top of your Deck to the Graveyard. This card's level increases by 1 for each card sent to the Graveyard in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [center]Boosting itself by 500 ATK per Level while setting up the Grave as a cost for self-revival? No, I cannot possibly condone instant revivable beatsticks such as these with such laughable costs.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 [quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344382973' post='6000537'] [center]Boosting itself by 500 ATK per Level while setting up the Grave as a cost for self-revival? No, I cannot possibly condone instant revivable beatsticks such as these with such laughable costs.[/center] [/quote] He is relatively new so, the most updated card is in his last post of this thread rather than the main post being editted. The card is actually a bit slower now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteDarkness Posted August 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1344384672' post='6000561'] He is relatively new so, the most updated card is in his last post of this thread rather than the main post being editted. [/quote] Oops, I'll change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 [center]Still not enough. Riddle me this -- why exactly do you deserve a self-reviving 2000 ATK beatstick that sets up your Grave as a cost, be it immediately or during the Standby Phase?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 but setting up your Grave for Zombies doesn't give you extra advantage on itself unless you mill your limited Mezuki =0 otherwise it's just a way to be able to grab what you need from the Graveyard. More for the sake of consistency than for thoughtless pluses. Also, Lightsworn hybrids used to be viable, it's not like this is much different, and 2000 ATK wall that won't be able to switch to Attack Position before you kill it again, and will stay in the Graveyard if you kill it by effects, is no harm to you is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 [center]I missed out where it is Special Summoned in Defense Position -- in which case I muse, but what about the set-ups the milling makes possible? Yes, the milling gives no extra advantage, but for the love of God, what about the wealth of fodder for future revival? What then?[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 [quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344388528' post='6000647'] [center]I missed out where it is Special Summoned in Defense Position -- in which case I muse, but what about the set-ups the milling makes possible? Yes, the milling gives no extra advantage, but for the love of God, what about the wealth of fodder for future revival? What then?[/center] [/quote] hmm you have a point, I might be underestimating the setups it can make. Though I'm iffy on wether it'll actually be a problem or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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