Catterjune Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 So here's a "fun" experiment. A lot of people have been saying my rules are unjust or I'm dumb and out of touch with what the majority of people want. So here ya' go. No rules for one week. One week later, this topic will open and it'll be up to the American voting public to say what they thought about the "fun" experiment, what rules they think we're better off without, what rules they think there should be, etc etc. So... have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Shouldnt you sticky this, at least temporarily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 Took the words right out of my, evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 [img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8a0h9RawA1rtbqtl.png[/img] This is so stupid. [color=#ffffff]Not to mention extremely lazy.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Can't really agree with you here. No reason to be a child here. "Oh, you guys don't like what I'm doing? Well FINE. Do what you want. YOU'LL MISS ME" is not a good response to criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 well tbh yankee no-one cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote]Can't really agree with you here. No reason to be a child here. "Oh, you guys don't like what I'm doing? Well FINE. Do what you want. YOU'LL MISS ME" is not a good response to criticism. [/quote] Yeah, maybe. The criticisms I get, as you can read in [i]other topics[/i] are mostly that I mod too much or mod too little. Sometimes I get both arguments from the same person. How do you expect me to respond to such criticism? Mod more? Mod less? Ask people to report most? State in very specific terms what it is I expect of people? I've tried all four and none of them really seem to hold satisfactory results. My ultimate goal is to find a best ruleset for this section. But I have nothing to really base it on. Having "no rules", seeing what's a pain in the ass, and slowly adding rules to it seems to be the best way to go about it. SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS: Upon the slightest bit of thinking I realize that opening this topic for discussion a week later would just... be kind of a waste. The point is to have a new set of rules by next week, so opening this topic next week and discussing things then is completely stupid. It's like having a meeting at 12 noon, and leaving your home at 12 noon. You'd be late. So because of that, this topic will open at 3PM today. The main points of discussion should be what (if any) should the rules be in the TCG section, what kinds of topics should be allowed, what should not be allowed, and so on and so forth in that fasion. So... like... yeah. I'll probably be back around 7-or-8 BTW, since I've got work. inb4timezones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 On DGz, they have a section with deck articles to inform playersin detail how decks work. With YCMaker dead, and no admin to add such a section, I think we should allow deck articles in TCG. That is, someone experienced with a (reasonable) deck creates an informative article on the deck, addressing the main cards in the deck, and providing a sample deck. I'll make a topic later concerning guidelines on how to write a deck article properly and how to handle them in great detail. EDIT: [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/287774-god-machismo-presents-a-proposal/"]Link[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 [quote name='Hatcher' timestamp='1344355900' post='6000077'] Yeah, maybe. The criticisms I get, as you can read in [i]other topics[/i] are mostly that I mod too much or mod too little. Sometimes I get both arguments from the same person. How do you expect me to respond to such criticism? Mod more? Mod less? Ask people to report most? State in very specific terms what it is I expect of people? [/quote] Just keep doing what you do. If you're getting arguments from both sides, you must be doing something right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I know a few people have youtube accounts, so I was thinking of a letting people post video archives of them dueling. I think the big thing is to not be restricted by rules. If an unorthodox thread creates worthwhile discussion on some aspect of the game it shouldn't be punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I think you're a genius, as this experiment has already shown. Just looking at the topics in this section makes me not even want to come here because it's just stupid how people are aecting just because there are no rules. It's no wonder there's always so much criticism surrounding the players and whatnot of this section because most of them give this site an awful reputation. I've seen no significant issues with your modding at all, and it's actually quite noticeable how you've become more lienient over the past few months as long as things aren't going off topic too significantly. I think a slightly less strict, but still effective set of rules should be implemented so the section doesn't end up permanently like it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 The only things I'm not liking are the necrobumping and Other TCG stuff not in Other TCG. [Stuff being in the correct section] (Which seem like they should be obvious site-wide rules ) It's good otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Things that I've come to notice are problems with the section: [b]I - Obvious rules should still be in place.[/b] I mean, I thought that would of been a given... But apparently a lot of people seem to think that necrobumping is a completely reasonable thing after they deliberately go to search out a topic to necrobump. Also just blatant spamming is stupid and such. [b]II - Other TCG cards being posted in the section.[/b] This isn't so much a problem as it is a major annoyance. Take a look at nearly all of Expelsword's posts in the section. They are nearly all Other TCG cards or point III. They do not belong nor deserve a spot in here. We already have a section for it and therefore the entire point of posting the damn things here is... well, there isn't one. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288006-pokemon/]Prefound evidence.[/url] [b]III - [ANIME]/[MANGA] tag in titles.[/b] This "experiment" has highlighted another important thing which I feel should be in the rules and that is the [ANIME]/[MANGA] tags that you made people put into the title when posting a topic with one of the mentioned. It is extremely aggravating finding something and thinking that it is perhaps a spoiler for the newest set or something silly like that, only for it to turn out to be an old manga card or something like that. Again, you can check half of Expelsword's posts if you want to see evidence of this in action. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288062-all-hail-britannia-akashic-record/]Evidence, in case you're too lazy.[/url] [b]IV - No playmat discussions.[/b] I knew someone would post the topic on the Legendary Dragon of White and Legendary Magician of Dark mat that I found, I just knew it. This was a good chance for me to experiment and see whether playmat discussions would actually generate something worth keeping. And the result? Nah, they're not worth keeping at all. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288013-because-koko-is-sexy/]Evidence of them not being worth kept is here.[/url] As you can clearly see in the topic, it is basically just a few pages of +1 posting as multiple people just fangasm over the artwork on the mats. Who the hell cares? Same goes for card sleeves. Also to be tagged on could be cosmetic things in general, such as why Ultra Pro is better than Player's Choice and etc. [b]V - Hypothetical card discussions.[/b] I personally believe that these should not be allowed in the section, as they honestly do not generate anything worthwhile and (majority of the time) the OP makes the card so ridiculously stupid that it's really not worth commenting on. As well as this... Hypothetical cards should belong in Custom Cards, NOT TCG. Allowing Hypothetical Card discussions in TCG is basically like giving a bypass of posting their custom cards in the TCG section. Should not be allowed. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/287978-ice-counter-number-number-24-snow-storm-hero-fake-no-rules-is-still-going-on-right/]Evidence of such a thing in action.[/url] [b]VI - Hypothetical format discussions.[/b] Going off of the "[url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/287634-every-dark-monster-is-now-banned/]Every DARK monster is now banned[/url]" topic, I believe that these are a perfectly fine choice of topic for discussion. As you can see from the above, a good portion of the members tried to suggest something new as to what would happen in such a format and how it would become a lot better / worse for them if such a format was in effect. It encourages people to think outside of the norm in order to make an elaborate response, as well as try to defend points that they make when other members challenge their beliefs. Of course, I feel that this should be moreso your decision on which hypothetical discussions are worth keeping around and what aren't. [b]VII - Hypothetical banlist discussions.[/b] Seeing as how it is banlist season, this rule has given off a good chance to demonstrate how TCG can handle all different kinds of banlists. How they react and how they respond to other members, of course. This can somewhat tie in with VI, but I feel that this is enough to deserve it's own section. TCG has demonstrated that they can hold a relevant discussion whilst talking about multiple different banlists. Hypothetical banlists / Potential "banlist leaks" should be allowed for discussion. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288066-official-september-list-confirmed/]Evidence.[/url] [b]VIII - Relevant topic titles.[/b] They should be in effect. I did not see the point in them before the rule, but now I can quite clearly see the perspective you were seeing when you put that rule into effect. Random topic titles are, indeed, quite annoying and do promote more double threads than they tend to be funny. In fact, such a case happened yesterday. [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288013-because-koko-is-sexy/]First topic[/url] / [url=http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288046-the-dark-magician-and-blue-eyes-white-dragon-of-2012/]Second topic[/url]. The second topic would not of happened if the first topic had been relevantly named in the beginning. --- That's all I can think of for now, but I feel that most of these points are pretty relevant and should be taken into consideration when you attempt to put new rules into effect. Hope this helps. Also, sorry for calling you a bad moderator in the past. It'd just be nice to see you interact with your community a little bit more, is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Agreed with Koko. Seeing as I tried to actually have a topic of discussion in the playmat thread and it failed horribly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 So when does this end? I'm tired.[quote name='Daiyusha' timestamp='1344682166' post='6003891'] [b]VII - Hypothetical banlist discussions.[/b] Seeing as how it is banlist season, this rule has given off a good chance to demonstrate how TCG can handle all different kinds of banlists. How they react and how they respond to other members, of course. This can somewhat tie in with VI,[b] but I feel that this is enough to deserve it's own section.[/b] TCG has demonstrated that they can hold a relevant discussion whilst talking about multiple different banlists. Hypothetical banlists / Potential "banlist leaks" should be allowed for discussion. [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/288066-official-september-list-confirmed/"]Evidence.[/url] [/quote]Section? Why don't we just have a thread that we renew every format? Have it stickied up top so no one tries to make something else. Of course this should only apply to banlist speculation and banlist "leaks" and not hypothetical banlists. I'm not exactly sure that hypothetical banlists should have their own section, seeing as they don't come up too often, and if they do then it'll be hectic as hell. So maybe let it be legal, but if too many are posted, then pull in the reigns a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1344748055' post='6004753'] So when does this end? I'm tired. Section? Why don't we just have a thread that we renew every format? Have it stickied up top so no one tries to make something else. Of course this should only apply to banlist speculation and banlist "leaks" and not hypothetical banlists. I'm not exactly sure that hypothetical banlists should have their own section, seeing as they don't come up too often, and if they do then it'll be hectic as hell. So maybe let it be legal, but if too many are posted, then pull in the reigns a bit. [/quote] By section, I meant the small little paragraph. I knew that someone would take it completely wrong. xD; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Daiyusha' timestamp='1344768593' post='6004965'] By section, I meant the small little paragraph. I knew that someone would take it completely wrong. xD; [/quote]Hey,you were the one choosing what words to use. Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Welche Alt Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I am not quite sure why such an idea as this would be presented. Thus I cannot be of much help to the topic at hand but what I can do is congratulate Day something or other for providing evidence in all the rules he proposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1344780619' post='6005055'] Hey,you were the one choosing what words to use. Not me. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted August 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1344748055' post='6004753'] So when does this end? I'm tired.[/quote] Tomorrow, most likely. Either early monring/afternoon or really late at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [s]One little thing I think is fine- If you can figure out what a card is from the title, I don't see any harm in changing it up a bit. For example, this Jadge/Jadgment thing. Konami made a typo on judge, so it became a bit of a mini-meme. You can still tell what the cards in question ARE, so a little fun with the name shouldn't be against the rules. Of course, this requires common sense, and if people prove they can't handle it, it can always be revoked.[/s] Nevermind, already shown the lack of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='Daiyusha' timestamp='1344816506' post='6005675'] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Welche Alt Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 From the current onslaught of "jadge" posts perhaps rules might be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='Le Dolan' timestamp='1344821800' post='6005822'] From the current onslaught of "jadge" posts perhaps rules might be helpful. [/quote] They were fine until people started posting stupid Vanillas and Divine Serpent under it. Nevermind my last post, it took YCM less than an hour to prove they don't have the common sense to do it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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