Tribute Summon

[Sleepy]

Random ideas to encourage Tribute Summoning.
[color=red]EDIT: The images are drawn by me =D just saying.[/color]



[img]http://i.imgur.com/qxuJT.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]If used for a Tribute Summon, you can Tribute this card from your hand. If the monster is a LIGHT, Aqua-Type, or Normal Monster, this card can be treated as up to 2 Tributes.[/b][/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/XyJP9.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]If used for a Tribute Summon, you can banish this card from your Graveyard and treat it as a Tribute. If used for the Summon of a WATER, Plant-Type, or a Normal Monster, it can be treated as up to 2 Tributes.[/b][/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/QXylw.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]If used for a Tribute Summon, the Tribute Summon can be from your banished cards. It can be Treated as up to 2 Tributes for the Tribute Summon of a DARK, Dinosaur-Type, or Normal Monster.[/b][/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/xA3KE.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]Is used for a Tribute Summon, the Tribute Summon can be from your Graveyard. Can be Treated as up to 2 Tributes for the Tribute Summon of a FIRE, Beast-Type, or Normal Monster.[/b][/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/PCGZC.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]If you Tribute Summon a monster, you can return this banished card to the Graveyard and treat it as a Tribute. If used for the Tribute Summon of an EARTH, Fish-Type, or a Normal Monster, it can be treated as up to 2 Tributes. If Tributed from the field: You can banish it.[/b][/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/6kSnk.jpg[/img]
[quote=Effect][b]You can skip your turn's Draw Phase and add this card from your Deck to your hand. You can Normal Summon up to twice per turn. Tribute Summons that use 2 or more Tributes and Tribute Summons of Normal Monsters cannot be negated[/b][/quote]

[MK-ultra]

i just find how u can tribute them from preety much anywhere to be incredibly broken
o and tribute fortress needs the last clause of it's eff taken off cause that eff is just to OPed

[Sleepy]

[quote name='MK-ultra' timestamp='1344368049' post='6000227']
i just find how u can tribute them from preety much anywhere to be incredibly broken
o and tribute fortress needs the last clause of it's eff taken off cause that eff is just to OPed
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Yeah, the drawing part might be overdoing it... also, I need to center the rest of the cards.

As for the Tribute Summoning from anywhere being broken, the best Tribute Summons currently are probably the Monarchs, which already have consistent Tribute Summon food that revives every turn. This would rather be a different variant.
Hopefully 2 Tribute monsters can be used again with this.

EDIT:
Modified the Field Spell effect.

[MK-ultra]

[quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1344368695' post='6000242']
Yeah, the drawing part might be overdoing it... also, I need to center the rest of the cards.

As for the Tribute Summoning from anywhere being broken, the best Tribute Summons currently are probably the Monarchs, which already have consistent Tribute Summon food that revives every turn. This would rather be a different variant.
Hopefully 2 Tribute monsters can be used again with this.
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no not the drawing part of fortress the [b]"[b]Tribute Summons cannot be negated.[/b]" [/b]is straight broken

[Sleepy]

[quote name='MK-ultra' timestamp='1344368934' post='6000247']
no not the drawing part of fortress the [b]"[b]Tribute Summons cannot be negated.[/b]" [/b]is straight broken
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Oh, that.
I modified it just now, tell me what you think now.

[MK-ultra]

[quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1344369104' post='6000251']
Oh, that.
I modified it just now, tell me what you think now.
[/quote]
thats better still dont like that i cant say solemn it though i can responde with BTH/TT so its not a total loss

[Suibon]

[center]'... the monster can be Summoned from the Deck.'[/center]

[center]So, say, I have Star Squad Bee face-up, and -- say -- Metal Armored Bug is on my Deck. You mean to say I can Tribute Summon Metal Armored Bug from my deck?[/center]

[center]Very, very risky design -- it assumes that none of the Attributes and Types that your Tribute-Summon-from-the-Deck fodder will develop much in the way of competent Tribute monsters, and I don't like uncertainty.[/center]

[center]In other words, not accepted.[/center]

[Sleepy]

[quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344388111' post='6000640']
[center]'... the monster can be Summoned from the Deck.'[/center]

[center]So, say, I have Star Squad Bee face-up, and -- say -- Metal Armored Bug is on my Deck. You mean to say I can Tribute Summon Metal Armored Bug from my deck?[/center]

[center]Very, very risky design -- it assumes that none of the Attributes and Types that your Tribute-Summon-from-the-Deck fodder will develop much in the way of competent Tribute monsters, and I don't like uncertainty.[/center]

[center]In other words, not accepted.[/center]
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Yes you can Tribute Summon Metal Armored Bug from your Deck, and the bee is a One for One target.
And the flower can let you pretty much Normal Summon a Titania form your hand.

This is very, very experimental.
Though Most cards nowadays pretty much only tilt towards Extra Deck development. Except Gishiki because they are Ritual oriented, HEROs because they are Fusion oriented, and Monarchs, which are the only Tribute Summons actually used.

Honestly speaking, would you use for serious a Metal Armored Bug otherwise? =0
and these guys DO take your Normal Summon for the turn so, it's not like you can spam much here if you don't have Ultimate Offering, which shouldn't be at 3 anyways.

[Suibon]

[center]You are consuming a Normal Summon getting what would most probably be a big beatstick of no mean beef from the Deck. Yes, the thing cannot swarm, but we are talking about big guys -- summoned, from the Deck, the way Kaiser Sea Horse and The Trojan Horse and Double Coston and Gellenduo have done it, taking away the caprice of the draw and the unreliability of Tribute monsters in general, despite repeated attempts to make them viable. And where throbbing beatsticks roam so freely, trouble looms -- again and again through design history.[/center]

[Sleepy]

[quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344389014' post='6000655']
[center]You are consuming a Normal Summon getting what would most probably be a big beatstick of no mean beef from the Deck. Yes, the thing cannot swarm, but we are talking about big guys -- summoned, from the Deck, the way Kaiser Sea Horse and The Trojan Horse and Double Coston and Gellenduo have done it, taking away the caprice of the draw and the unreliability of Tribute monsters in general, despite repeated attempts to make them viable. And where throbbing beatsticks roam so freely, trouble looms -- again and again through design history.[/center]
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That depends on how splashable do these guys become for the Deck that desires their services in the future.
Just outclassing Kaiser Sea Horse, Double Coston, Unshaven Angler, Trojan Horce, Flame Ruler, Whirlwind Prodigy, is not an outstanding thing that would break the game.

While I was waiting for your reply, it occured to me, what do you think if these guys only worked on Normal Monsters? =0

[Suibon]

[center]Baser things have happened before, in real life, as we have moved from crude to sophisticated beatdown amid spells of genuinely challenging attrition wars. But I won't bore you with my tales -- arcana interests no one anyway.[/center]

[center]But answer me this: why do we need to summon big monsters from the Deck?[/center]

[Sleepy]

[quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344389711' post='6000662']
[center]Baser things have happened before, in real life, as we have moved from crude to sophisticated beatdown amid spells of genuinely challenging attrition wars. But I won't bore you with my tales --[/center]
[color=blue]Oh no, keep going. I am actually very happy that this thread is getting activity that isn't spam. Unlike pretty much all my other threads here this year. =0[/color]

[center]arcana interests no one anyway.[/center]
[color=blue]If you mean the Dark Ruler and Light Ruler, it'd be an interesting thing to see. My Dinosaur doesn't help them all that much. My Turtle can help the Light Ruler ditch 2 of the 3 Tributes, from the hand. Then if you use the Bee to get them from the Deck, You still need 2 other Tributes. Most effective combo would be Special Summoning the Bee with One for One, and Tributing the Bee, along with the Turtle in your hand, which is still a -2.
The biggest thread to me is Arcana Force -The World, which I think WOULD use these guys if/when Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon gets banned/limited because of the loop it can make. Though I doubt it'll become anything more than "for fun".[/color]

[center]But answer me this: why do we need to summon big monsters from the Deck?[/center]
[color=blue]For that, I would like to ask you if you consider it broken to use monsters as tools to bring out bigger monsters from a place that isn't your hand? because that's exactly what Synchros, Xyzs, and to a lower extent, Fusions, do. With the advantage that, those cards from the Extra Deck do not use your Normal Summon of the turn, and you do not have the risk of drawing them and bothering you with a heavy monster in your hand.

If Synchros and Xyzs are accepted, I don't really see why these wouldn't. [/color]
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=D

[Suibon]

[center]No, I don't mean the Arcana Force monsters (should've seen that coming though); I meant huge monsters in general, and particularly those that take no great pains -- or even pain of any kind at all -- to be Special Summoned.[/center]

[Sleepy]

With a Double Tribute effect taken advantage of, the best you can bring out at a +0 cost is a 3000 ATK monster. Probably a Blue Eyes.
Taking it farther, the strongest monsters you can bring out are Obelisk, Slifer, and the Wicked Gods. Out of which Obelisk and Slifer are not viable for the "treated as 2 Tributes" in any way. So you'd need to use a combination of 3 of these guys, or Tribute something else you already had.
With the Wicked Gods (Dreadroot, Avatar, and Eraser), it's still rather slow. It'd have to be tested to see if they become consistent enough with these Tribute Cheaters I've created. Though the Dinosaur is the only one that would make them loose the need of a Tribute.

I can see an Earthbound Deck also using them somehow, though their problem is not being Summoned, but keeping themselves on the field, and the issue that Earthbounds weaken your ability to attack during your turn.

ummm... I know, best use:
Beast King Barbaros.


I get it that you are saying they "restrict design" rather than them being actually abusable right now (because I can't really see a combo that would definitely make me use them to break the game)...

umm....

EDIT:
btw, I didn't mention it before but,
I drew all of their pictures =D

[seattleite]

Seriously, this is a great idea, what with konami being unable to make tribute summons good, but some of these are overcompensating.

Star Squad Bee for instance can be One for One'd and then lets you toolbox anything in a WIND deck. This works extremely well with Simorgh Bird of Ancestry, and they could cycle his effect again and again.

Wishy Fishy Fish of the Wish Well (Love the name) would work so well in Coelacanth deck. I don't think there's anything wrong with this combo though.

Tribute Fortress could be abused in Earthbound Immortals and possibly Malefics with being self-searching and all. Otherwise it's what this deck needs.

But really this is an awesome idea and i love it, just some fine tweaks IMO to keep it out of abuse.

[Sleepy]

[quote name='seattleite' timestamp='1344393532' post='6000705']
Seriously, this is a great idea, what with konami being unable to make tribute summons good, but some of these are overcompensating.

Star Squad Bee for instance can be One for One'd and then lets you toolbox anything in a WIND deck. This works extremely well with Simorgh Bird of Ancestry, and they could cycle his effect again and again.

Wishy Fishy Fish of the Wish Well (Love the name) would work so well in Coelacanth deck. I don't think there's anything wrong with this combo though.

Tribute Fortress could be abused in Earthbound Immortals and possibly Malefics with being self-searching and all. Otherwise it's what this deck needs.

But really this is an awesome idea and i love it, just some fine tweaks IMO to keep it out of abuse.
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Thanks for the comments ^-^
The Flower also works for Coelacanth here btw =D

and it seems to be an unanimous opinion that the Bee's effect is overpowered.
I'll look for some more opinons on that and try to think of something.

[Suibon]

[center]Tribute Summoning from the deck is very risky business. I suggest that you do not flirt with it in your support -- beware the implications.[/center]

[Sleepy]

[quote name='Suibon' timestamp='1344394454' post='6000720']
[center]Tribute Summoning from the deck is very risky business. I suggest that you do not flirt with it in your support -- beware the implications.[/center]
[/quote]

To be fair, I'm thinking about removing it and using the picture for another card.
What do you think of all the other cards in the set, once the Bee is gone if/when it gets taken down? =0

[Sleepy]

Bump~
=0

and Bee taken out now~