Sander Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/YbpOO.png[/img] 21 3 Gem-Knight Garnet 3 Gem-Knight Tourmaline 3 Gem-Armadillo 3 Gem-Knight Lazuli 3 Gem-Knight Obsidian 1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness 2 Rescue Rabbit 3 Volcanic Shell 10 1 Dark Hole 3 Gem-Knight Fusion 1 Heavy Storm 1 Monster Reborn 2 Mystical Space Typhoon 2 Pot of Duality 9 2 Bottomless Trap Hole 1 Phoenix Wing Wind Blast 1 Return from the Different Dimension 1 Solemn Judgment 2 Solemn Warning 2 Torrential Tribute Extra Deck: 15 3 Gem-Knight Citrine 1 Gem-Knight Prismamura 1 Gem-Knight Ruby 1 Gem-Knight Topaz 3 Gem-Knight Zirconia 1 Gem-Knight Pearl 2 Lavalval Chain 1 Maestroke the Symphony Djinn 1 Number 11: Big Eye 1 Number 39: Utopia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Why Gold Sarcophagus? You should be maining as many rabbits as possible for this variant. Take out Alexandrites equal to the number of usable bunnies. -3 MST (To side) +3 Lazuli There's no reason not to max Lazuli, as it lets you consistently explode more. You should also fit another Duality, and maybe Return from the Different Dimension. Both are essentially win conditions. -Emeral -1 Ruby -2 Pearl +Chain +1 Topaz +1 Utopia +1 Maestroke Chain can win you the game on its own. Emeral is win moar. You only need 1 Ruby as a stall breaker, and you want 1 Topaz because it can be a game winner when needed. Utopia and Maestroke offer variety that is appreciated. They don't directly aid the win condition, but they don't harm it, either. I've also NEVER found a need for heavy backrow in this deck. Just need a little preventative power, namely Anti-OTK stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 I'm maining 2 Dualities because the potential list in TCG has Pot of Duality semi-limited. So is Rabbit etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Ah, right, forgot about that. You still wanna max out Rabbit, depending on how many you can have, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Do you really think you're going to get Pearl out often? You've already got Zircona for a beater, and he is arguably easier to pull out than Pearl would be. I also highly recomend Lazuli. Since your running 6 normals, Lazuli can recycle like crazy giving you half the things you need for another fusion in and of itself. How are you finding shell? I always found it to slow, and ran Seahorse instead for Prismaura plays. The lack of Aqua worries me slightly, becuase i like Amythest plays, but i can see why your not. My suggestions: -3 alexandrite. +3 lazuli Extra: -2 pearl 1 Citrine to the side + 1 Topaz +1 Utopia +1 Master Dia. (I find him a nice utility, and is hilarious if you get topaz in the grave.) I also share the Gold Sarcophagus concerns, and recomend return from a different dimension in place of one of them. Return makes massive plays with the amount of banishing you'll be doing. Or even just to stop game ending damage. As for the other to... Pheonix Wind blast? You get plenty of discard fodder for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1344791434' post='6005210'] You still wanna max out Rabbit, depending on how many you can have, like I said. [/quote] Testing 2 rabbits etc etc But really, should I scrap Gold Sarc then? I mainly wanted to use it to get GK Fusion to hand, but I suppose I could use Chain to dump GK Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Alright, deck list edited. Moved 2 MST's to the main as I kept getting my Lavalval Chains either BTH'd or Warning'd etc. etc. and it was getting annoying.:I Also added Foolish Burial to the main, if ever need be, I can use it to send Lazuli to the Grave to get its effect. EDIT: -1 Foolish, +1 Heavy, because apparently, Heavy isn't probably going to be banned (at least it's not in the lists that I've seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThieves Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 If its next ban list you're thinking about you may as well replace heavy storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 [quote name='TheThieves' timestamp='1344885116' post='6006650'] If its next ban list you're thinking about you may as well replace heavy storm. [/quote] The next ban list has Heavy @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Bump, dropped a PWWB for a Gorz, looking for another card to replace the 1 PWWB left, as I don't like it that much, even if it sets off Lazuli and Obsidian. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 One for One is a cool tech. Grabs Shell/Lazuli and can set off Obsidian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1345223131' post='6009234'] One for One is a cool tech. Grabs Shell/Lazuli and can set off Obsidian. [/quote] Thanks for the suggestion, will test it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I'm using Vylon Prism, Ryko, and Dark factory of mass production. Using Gemini gem knights istead the normal monster counterparts, and Gemini Soldier to flush them from my deck. Dragon mirror (for Superalloy Beast Raptinus), and Future Fusion (but this will be banned). Dark Factory and Gem-Knight Fusion at your grave = extra fusion. Use Vylon Prism as fusion material (to Prismaura), for an extra 1000 ATK making it 3450 atk monster. Or Stardust dragon perhaps. Ryko, and Future Fusion just a tool to dump the material to my grave. I can see my build a lot different with yours, but just in case you're interested Because i'm not that fond with the rabbit, it force me to add a plausible sum of normal monsters which is bad for a healthy hands. Gemini has more support such as Gemini Spark, and at least has some effect which can be useful if your hand doesn't has more monster to normal summon with or maybe you just don't need to normal summon at that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Eew, Gemini variant is God awful, and if you think Rabbit is even remotely bad, especially in here, I have no idea what's wrong with you. If anything, NOT opening with a normal and/or rabbit is a bad hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 About the rabbit : The rabbit itself is not bad, but it requires at least 6 normal monsters in 2x3 format in deck which I don't want to. About choosing the geminis : Most of the case, not a single of them normal summoned, either immediately use them for fusion or just called with the gemini soldier. They even has normal and gemini support, including aforementioned Raptinus, Dark Factory, and Gemini Spark. I'm used amber, sanyx and iolite. Amber is a searcher, so i don't need to involve the armadillo anymore. Sanyx and Iolite's effect actually meh, it only good if i have obsidian at hand. They has some nice stat (not as good as the normal ones though). I do believe, attacking with 1600 atk or 1900 atk doesn't really differ at all, people can get past 2100 attack easily nowadays. But it is the support that i seeking for. That's all that I can say about choosing the gemini gem-knights, the rest is up to your flavour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Rabbit's broken as hell. Don't comment if you don't know the format that's ending. And I know how Gemini Variant works. It's slow as hell compared to the Normal Variant because it lacks 2 powerful searchers. Btw, Raptinus is terrible in Gem-Knights. It requires you to run Polymerization, which is just stupid. On top of that, Dark Factory is also awful in Gem-knights of any kid, and the ONLY selling point for Gemini-Knights is Spark, where Rabbit Variant does it far better. Hell, Rabbit Knights have topped, albeit smaller tournaments, but have Gemini-knights even done that? No. (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Raptinus ? Future fusion and Dragon mirror. Dark Factory of Mass Production ? Target 2 Normal Monsters in your Graveyard; add those targets to your hand. It even works at the normal gem-knights variant. After using Gem-Knight fusion, just banish one at your grave, you get your spell back. This factory can add 2 of materials needed for another fusion, i can't see where's bad with this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 [quote name='marisa' timestamp='1345307478' post='6010102'] Raptinus ? Future fusion and Dragon mirror. Dark Factory of Mass Production ? Target 2 Normal Monsters in your Graveyard; add those targets to your hand. It even works at the normal gem-knights variant. After using Gem-Knight fusion, just banish one at your grave, you get your spell back. This factory can add 2 of materials needed for another fusion, i can't see where's bad with this card. [/quote] Future Fusion is getting banned, Dragon's Mirror is utter crap and a waste of space, just like Poly. You shouldn't be running Dark Factory. It's completely win moar. There is literally NO need for it, and you can win easily with only 1 vanilla. It will just dead draw and ruin your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Obsidian and Lazuli do it better and easier than dark factory. Also, future fusion can't be run come September. And Dark Factory can dead draw, which you want to try and avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I've mentioned above that Future get banned later. Well, unless you clearly say why the factory is bad i can't get the picture. To me it is just the same as saying salvage is bad for water decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 [quote name='marisa' timestamp='1345307924' post='6010108'] I've mentioned above that Future get banned later. Well, unless you clearly why the factory is bad i can't get the picture. To me it is just the same as saying salvage is bad for water decks. [/quote] What part of "it dead draws" escapes you? That should be really blatant. Lazuli and Obsidian recycle them out the wazoo. Oftentimes, you can win with only a single Normal Monster, along with Lazuli and Obsidian. It's not uncommon at all to win that way, and, even if you have more than 1, you can put well over 8000 points of damage on the field without it/Multiple Citrines, and it would just waste space that could be used on, y'know, Rabbit and other things to actually increase consistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 It all depends on the deck. Quite often water decks get the required monsters into the grave quickly whilst building up there advantage. Gishki are a major example, sicne they discard low attack water monster to search there combo pieces, filling the grave quickly. Dark factory on the other hand is to slow, since on average you are banishing half the monsters you use for material to return Gem-fusion each time. Using Obsidian and lazuli shrinks the amount of Gem-Knights in the grave further, making it impractical when there are two quicker, searchable recycling methods avalable in the form of Obsidian and Lazuli. At least, thats my take on why I don't run dark Factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I run 3 Rykos, 1 future fusion (at my deck, i know it is not suitable for his deck), and foolish, And most of the time, i only set ryko, and the rest is just materials. "What part of "it dead draws" escapes you? That should be really blatant." Which part of drawing 6 normal monsters at start could be described as good draw ? I've tried that variation, and got this. Especially we're talking about Gem-Knight which also contains at least 3 Gem Knight Fusion, with no monster, can it be described as good as well ? The odd always be there. I'm not saying that without a good base, i've tested the rabbit gem knight. Well, i wouldn't reply further discussion if you just want to discredit my suggestion. The suggestion there is always be a suggestion, and I never mentioned that your build is bad as well. I just defend my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 [quote name='marisa' timestamp='1345308870' post='6010125'] I run 3 Rykos, 1 future fusion (at my deck, i know it is not suitable for his deck), and foolish, And most of the time, i only set ryko, and the rest is just materials. "What part of "it dead draws" escapes you? That should be really blatant." Which part of drawing 6 normal monsters at start could be described as good draw ? I've tried that variation, and got this. Especially we're talking about Gem-Knight which also contains at least 3 Gem Knight Fusion, with no monster, can it be described as good as well ? The odd always be there. I'm not saying that without a good base, i've tested the rabbit gem knight. Well, i wouldn't reply further discussion if you just want to discredit my suggestion. The suggestion there is always be a suggestion, and I never mentioned that your build is bad as well. I just defend my opinion. [/quote] Foolish is unneeded, lolryko does NOTHING for the deck, and lolFutureFusion. If you opened 6 Normal Monsters, you got a terrible hand. If you think that's always going to happen, your head is up your ass. We just came out of a format where Rabbit was the best deck. You know, DinoRabbit? Ran 6 Normal Dinosaurs? Killed almost everything? It is EXTREMELY unrealistic to expect to open 6 vanillas. Besides, a 1900 beater is as good as ever, now. Part of why Rabbit was good was playing smart with your Vanillas. Rabbit gives the deck an instant Lavalval Chain, which can dump eitehr G-K Fusion or Lazuli. Rabbit is a 1-card win condition for the deck. You obviously didn't test Rabbit enough or you'd see it's the best variant. Hence why Rabbit Knights topped and Gemini-Knights have not. Your suggestion is terrible and shouldn't be considered. It's not about YOU, it's about the Gemini-Knights suck, so don't try to construe it as a personal attack when it's nothing of the sort. You're just running a terrible variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marisa Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 And your luck also doesn't apply to me, I had 6 normal monsters at start when playing a computer randomized deck Dueling Network. I have rabbit verz deck, rabbit dark world deck, and had rabbit gem as well. I know what kind of creature it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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