ITT: An unbelievable buff [Mystical Space Typhoon]

[Expelsword]

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"Target 1 Spell/Trap Card on the field; [b]negate and[/b] destroy that target."

I'm thinking it would be banned.

[Le Welche Alt]

To begin, I am no entirely positive on the wording. It appears to me that you are attempting to create a card that can function both as the MST we know and love and also function the way some
New players believe it to function. In this case I should say the card would be all together too strong.

[Expelsword]

[quote name='Le Nolan' timestamp='1344791101' post='6005201']
To begin, I am no entirely positive on the wording. It appears to me that you are attempting to create a card that can function both as the MST we know and love and also function the way some
New players believe it to function. In this case I should say the card would be all together too strong.
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Precisely, don't you agree, YCM?

[werewolfjedi]

that's a huge duh.
and the explanation gets even more muddled up when you target continuous spells and traps.

[Le Welche Alt]

In fact I believe this thread to be a much subtler attack upon the new players who seem to be of the opinion that a card with such an effect would be at 3.

[This Account is Unplayable]

You're a dumbass.

[Expelsword]

Me?

[arkel]

So a costless Solemn Judgment that can't destroy monsters or negate Counter Traps. That's not awful card design at all.

[Le Welche Alt]

From the look of this card it is very different from Solemn Judgment. It is for one a quick play, for two it can't affect monsters for three counter traps are immune and for four it can destroy facedowns or continuous card.

[arkel]

[quote name='Le Dolan' timestamp='1344810682' post='6005568']
It is for one a quick play

[b]That makes it better in some ways.[/b]

for two it can't affect monsters

[b]I said that.[/b]

for three counter traps are immune

[b]I said that.[/b]

and for four it can destroy facedowns or continuous card.

[b]That only makes it better.[/b]
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So yeah. Ridiculously broken card design.

[Le Welche Alt]

I am simply saying that it is not the same as Solemn Judgment and that a comparison would be foolish.

[Toffee.]

Basically, to sum it up, Typhoon uses new-player logic.
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I'll pass, thank you.

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[quote name='Expelsword - 黎明' timestamp='1344798301' post='6005336']
Me?
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No, the muffin man.

[Althemia]

[quote name='Chris' timestamp='1344882936' post='6006603']
No, the muffin man.
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Josh isn't THAT bad...

OT: You're an idiot for thinking this is an even remotely legal topic.

[Blake]

[quote name='Daiyusha' timestamp='1344883391' post='6006609']
Josh isn't THAT bad...
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Wait, what did [i]I[/i] do? ;~;

OT: I remember getting angry in EDS when this didn't negate.

[Le Welche Alt]

Daiyasha I believe this topic was created during the lawless time of the week prior to our present.

[Expelsword]

[quote name='Daiyusha' timestamp='1344883391' post='6006609']
OT: You're an idiot for thinking this is an even remotely legal topic.
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This topic was legal at the time it was made.
Grandfather Clause.

I agree though that a card like this would be completely ridiculous, but of course, noobs don't know that.

[darkwolf777]

[quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1344791801' post='6005219']
that's a huge duh.
and the explanation gets even more muddled up when you target continuous spells and traps.
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In what way?

The nature of Continuous Spells/Traps/Monster Effects and Field Spells is that their effects cannot apply if they are not face-up on the field during resolution.

I'm not sure why a lot of players feels that if the same results can be reached that methods are the same. They somehow feel that because MST can stop the effect of Continuous Spells/Trap cards/Field Spells, so that must mean it negates their effects, when it doesn't mean that at all.

I think some of the issue lies where some people don't know the rule or explanation, and continue anyway thinking that idea is correct, then passing it onto their friends that they play with. I used to get those "Well, that's how we always play it around here and no one questions it" excuses to rulings.

[newhat]

I think that mechanic is present for Continuous Spells and Traps
to avoid a mess with stuff like Call of the Haunted.

Do I Summon the monster and immediately destroy it, or does it work like Eclipse Wyvern and Darkflare?

[Merci]

Ridiculously broken, much worse than Solemn Judgment. That's pretty much all I can say on this hypothetical insane buff, that uses newbie logic.

[werewolfjedi]

[quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1344947024' post='6006966']
In what way?

The nature of Continuous Spells/Traps/Monster Effects and Field Spells is that their effects cannot apply if they are not face-up on the field during resolution.

I'm not sure why a lot of players feels that if the same results can be reached that methods are the same. They somehow feel that because MST can stop the effect of Continuous Spells/Trap cards/Field Spells, so that must mean it negates their effects, when it doesn't mean that at all.

I think some of the issue lies where some people don't know the rule or explanation, and continue anyway thinking that idea is correct, then passing it onto their friends that they play with. I used to get those "Well, that's how we always play it around here and no one questions it" excuses to rulings.
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remember, I help teach little kids learn this game and am a secondary judge at my hobby shop. I've been called to tables for both parts of these arguments.

I usually keep an eye on their games, and they like that most of the time, this is the one situation that they don't, because it confuses them, and then I explain that part about continuous spells and traps, and then they suddenly get it in their head that it negates, AGAIN *sigh*