Canadian Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110904222423/yugioh/images/thumb/8/85/BlackGardenTU06-EN-R-UE.jpg/300px-BlackGardenTU06-EN-R-UE.jpg[/img][/center] [center]Play this > SS a lot of monsters > clog opponent's field > hope they don't rip Dark Hole.[/center] [center]Pretty neat idea since we are in abundance of 2/3 card spam combos which makes set-up fairly simple (until September rolls around). Note that this isn't that bad late-game either since nobody plays those White cards any more (what were they called again?).[/center] [center]My main concerns about doing this are the following:[/center] [center]1) Its gimmicky. Adding an extra card to the deck too simply overkill when the combo would be just as effective on its own?[/center] [center]2) What do you do if you're opponent has a field full of monsters and you need to attack them until they have lost the game?[/center] [center]Perhaps a Garden.dek is the best use for this card right now. Since it is just an inconsistent over-killer (sort of like Limiter Removal), perhaps it should be used in something where the deck can use/draw the card any time and be happy with it. Or some form of deck where you benefit off of the opponent not having monsters, or having monsters that are tokens, in which you do not need to attack?[/center] [center]Discuss.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 This + Wanghu = Control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='God Machismo!!!!!' timestamp='1344798703' post='6005341'] This + Wanghu = Control? [/quote] Doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1344799517' post='6005350'] Doesn't work. [/quote] Wasn't there some deck that used Wanghu with Garden and had Volcanics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Want to tech this in Wind-Ups, now. Maybe combined with the Hunter loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1344799517' post='6005350'] Doesn't work. [/quote]It kills anything under 1400 ATK and anything under 3400 ATK can't get over Wanghu. What doesn't work? Wanghu also kills all the tokens. Then you play World Tree and HA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1344801834' post='6005396'] It kills anything under 1400 ATK and anything under 3400 ATK can't get over Wanghu. What doesn't work. [/quote] Both King Tiger Wanghu and Black Garden have Trigger effects. :I Ie, by the time Black Garden has resolved, and King Tiger Wanghu can now 'see' a monster with the low ATK, you are past the point where it can Trigger. Wanghu has to see the monster summoned with a low enough ATK, or else it just won't trigger, and any resolving effects happen past that point. So if you summon something with 1600 ATK, Black Garden triggers, Wanghu does not, and when Black Garden resolves and lowers that to 800, it's past the time when Wanghu could do anything. Or so I have read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1344803008' post='6005416'] Both King Tiger Wanghu and Black Garden have Trigger effects. :I Ie, by the time Black Garden has resolved, and King Tiger Wanghu can now 'see' a monster with the low ATK, you are past the point where it can Trigger. Wanghu has to see the monster summoned with a low enough ATK, or else it just won't trigger, and any resolving effects happen past that point. So if you summon something with 1600 ATK, Black Garden triggers, Wanghu does not, and when Black Garden resolves and lowers that to 800, it's past the time when Wanghu could do anything. Or so I have read. [/quote]Two cards CAN both trigger to something. Wanghu would just chain to Black Garden. He can't miss the timing as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Wanghu's effect can only activate at the moment a monster is summoned. When Black Garden's effect activates, it's already too late for Wanghu's effect to activate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1344806040' post='6005485'] Two cards CAN both trigger to something. Wanghu would just chain to Black Garden. He can't miss the timing as far as I know. [/quote] The timing for both cards is "When a monster is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned", meaning they activate at the same time. They are both trigger effects, meaning they start chains. If the monster has more than 1400 ATK, then only Black Garden will activate. Wanghu cannot activate because the monster had more than 1400 ATK when it was summoned. The best Wanghu will do is trigger to any Rose Tokens that happen to be summoned with 1400 ATK or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 I actually did the OP Idea to Roddy...or was it Klaiver?...IDK but he was playing Dino Rabit and when he tried to DHole I Solemn'd it and then started to get the field ready to remove the lock (And at the same time removing the Garden to get advantage of the tokens)and One shot him....Was fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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