.Rai Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1346002398' post='6013345'] Is it a new hipster thing to not care about people dying? I get the whole "this person isn't more important than anyone else" but this guy is kinda better than most, imo. :S I always heard that when he looked back at it he can't believe he trusted the technology they used. XD [/quote] This. It's like we're not allowed to care about a person anymore :/ Personally, I have no clue why we can't even mourn people like Whitney Houston. Sure, she went bonkers, but she had an amazing voice in the peak of her career. It's something that a musician like me really respects. Same thing with Armstrong. He made a great contribution to science. Even if I'm not allowed to mourn him personally, surely I'm allowed to mourn him as an idol? Admittedly, BehindTheMask kinda has a point. Very little of one though. We do take deaths of many other impersonally. It's a little mean, but it's expected. Of course we should do what we can to prevent the death of so many from preventable diseases and other similar situations, and we should at least respect those who aren't so fortunate. Yet it's unfair to say that we have to personally mourn everyone. To me, I find that more insulting than anything. Can't explain it but it makes sense. Respect is the main thing you have to have though. The best way to sum up the majority population's opinions probably is: "The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic." (Admittedly, it was an alleged quote from Stalin, but it's true nevertheless) I don't even know where I fall. Probably somewhere in "Mourn my heroes, respect those whom life was unfair to." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1346002398' post='6013345'] Is it a new hipster thing to not care about people dying? I get the whole "this person isn't more important than anyone else" but this guy is kinda better than most, imo. :S I always heard that when he looked back at it he can't believe he trusted the technology they used. XD [/quote] Quoting the original post. My thoughts on the topic - I'm not going to mourn someone I don't know about because of precisely that. I don't know about them. If I try to say "oh and here's five minutes for all murder victims out there," I would be grossly oversimplifying many situations that could easily make me think differently had I known details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Moonlanding was faked. Joking, but I still agree with BehindTheMask. It's not that anyone here advocates "not caring about people dying", it's that we think shedding more tears for celebrities than other human beings isn't fair. Because it isn't. [quote] Yet it's unfair to say that we have to personally mourn everyone. To me, I find that more insulting than anything. To me, I find that more insulting than anything. Can't explain it but it makes sense.[/quote] Then feel insulted, you've earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346080551' post='6013914'] Moonlanding was faked. Joking, but I still agree with BehindTheMask. It's not that anyone here advocates "not caring about people dying", it's that we think shedding more tears for celebrities than other human beings isn't fair. Because it isn't. [/quote] It will be interesting to see your reaction once someone you consider important (including those close to you) dies... will you shed more tears for them than you would other human beings? Chances are, yes. It's very strange to see someone telling others what kind of people they're allowed to shed tears over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346050167' post='6013802'] You were the one that was confused as to why he was popular. Don't call [b][i]me[/i][/b] stupid. [/quote] I just don't really [i]care [/i]about him landing on the moon, and just don't get it myself. And you are the one called me stupid first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Celebrities are not relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346087026' post='6013980'] Celebrities are not relatives. [/quote] Of course not. I was saying that they were. But there are some people out there who consider some celebrities as very important people to them. Maybe not on the same scale - but in likeness to relatives and other people you consider important. That might be a pretty warped perception on reality but it isn't up to you to decide what deaths are acceptable to mourn. That said, I agree you in part. The amount of media coverage that some deaths get over others isn't right, but at the end of the day there is someone there deciding what will get the biggest response to report. And even then - they're only doing their job, how people choose to respond to that is down to them. This topic is so subjective I'm surprised people are even arguing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1346088928' post='6013991'] This topic is so subjective I'm surprised people are even arguing about it. [/quote] You're surprised? With a topic as subjective as death, opinions will differ, and thus, people will argue. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 See you later space cowboy, thanks for all the amazing bike races. [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1345931832' post='6012809'] I couldn't give less of a crap. This is just like the Whitney Houston sh*t.[/quote] Whitney Houston the renowned astrophysicist. [quote]Just because someone does something important, that person automatically becomes important[/quote] Just because someone covers themselves with sand that person automatically becomes sandy. [quote]and deserves lavish ass funerals with praises from everyone.[/quote] Really, this doesn't come off as something to complain about. If somebody does something, whether they be a performer like Whitney Houston or an astronaut biker cowboy like Alex Louis Armstrong, and people enjoy what they did and felt overall that they were positively impacted by what they did(whether they were or weren't) they're going to think highly of them and want them to have a good funeral and say good things about them and lament their passing. Taking some sort of communistic approach to death and trying to say that we have to equally value and lament the passing of each person that dies every three seconds or whatever and that we can't feel more of an attachment to important figures, relatives, loved ones, etc. is silly. If you were complaining about how accomplishments end up conglomerating around one person(Neil was one of many responsible for the faked moon landing hoax) and merit oftentimes isn't equally divided you'd be making a better point, but it seems like you're just being edgy and hardcore and shoving off celebrity death. [quote]Nobody does that for the black kid murdered by racists.[/quote] Yes, they do. They even do it for black kids who die attacking an armed hispanic and then play the popular alternate reality game "Race Baiting 3D". [quote]Nobody does that for the kid who committed suicide.[/quote] Yes, they do. These stories linger for days and eventually turn into dialogue about censoring speech and actions denizens are allowed to make, but hey let's focus on this even more because that won't bite free speech in the ass. [quote]Nobody does that for the kid murdered by an American projectile in Iraq.[/quote] The most valid of your points, the dehumanization of civilian causalities in war. But a good amount of people definitely care about it, it's just that honoring corpses one through one hundred are less of a priority than focusing on the roots of the issue - modern day imperialism, servitude to Israel, UN resource war, etc. [quote]Nobody does that for the raped and murdered 15 year old teenager.[/quote] Really, come on. This kind of a story and race baiting stories stay on the news longer than Neil Armstrong's death will. I doubt he'll be talked about as long as Whitney Houston was. [quote]Nobody cries on the television for these people but we will cry for Neil Armstrong. F*cking great. [/quote] Is the punchline that all of those actually get a surge in press reports whether they're substantial or not and people who talk about those incidents aren't berated with a bunch of, "BUT YOUR PAIN IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE AFRICA" comments? They won't have a lavish funeral, but they'll sure as hell all get attention, attention that a good amount of people magically forget about. [quote name='Sleepy' timestamp='1346051110' post='6013808'] Though a death is a death, and a minute of silence shall be given. [/quote] Actually, come to think of it, this whole idea of obsessing over every single death to occur doesn't sound like that bad an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I want a lavish ass funeral! :F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1346091979' post='6014020'] You're surprised? With a topic as subjective as death, opinions will differ, and thus, people will argue. :/ [/quote] On YCM, actually no I'm not surprised. But I thought people would realise how pointless it is to argue over such a topic, as whatever reaction it gets from you is yours and yours online... not for anyone to come along and go, "no, you can't be sad over this death". [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346093548' post='6014040'] I want a lavish ass funeral! :F [/quote] I'll make sure you get one. Also, that's a great post Atlas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~/Coolio Prime\~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346093548' post='6014040'] I want a lavish ass funeral! :F [/quote] You're going to get one, assuming you ever die and there's anybody else alive when/if you do. [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1346093733' post='6014043'] On YCM, actually no I'm not surprised. But I thought people would realise how pointless it is to argue over such a topic, as whatever reaction it gets from you is yours and yours online... not for anyone to come along and go, "no, you can't be sad over this death". Also, that's a great post Atlas. [/quote] I find myself pointlessly arguing over death a lot because there is the spectrum where people find themselves caring much more about the livelihood of a Hollywood star than a Sudanese child but there are also those who, typically as a reaction to the first end of the spectrum, end up tossing aside regards for a notable individual's death and try passing off emotions somebody might have around it as misguided or something like that. Ultimately I think each death is going to affect somebody differently but we should still look at them with a bit of perspective. Glad you liked it. :> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Comrade TentaSparkle' timestamp='1346086396' post='6013975']And you are the one called me stupid first. [/quote]At which point? The reason I explained why people care about him? Or the part where I explained why people know about why they care about him? [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346093548' post='6014040'] I want a lavish ass funeral! :F [/quote]All you'll get is a whimper. No bang for you. Maybe you'll get stabbed in prison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346103652' post='6014135'] All you'll get is a whimper. No bang for you. [/quote] Personally, as a corpse I'd rather get a whimper than a "bang" so it's all good. A wake would be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346103652' post='6014135'] At which point? The reason I explained why people care about him? Or the part where I explained why people know about why they care about him? [/quote] [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346048283' post='6013794'] He landed on the moon. The majority of people here actually do pay attention in class... sometimes. [/quote] Unless of course I just misunderstood you, in which case I apologize for derping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 [quote name='Comrade TentaSparkle' timestamp='1346107301' post='6014178'] Unless of course I just misunderstood you, in which case I apologize for derping. [/quote]Everybody derps once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1346045102' post='6013772'] A well known man who inspires people and is a symbol of human achievement, ingenuity, and exploration of our universe, dies. And at the same time, people are told about a person they've never heard of, and know nothing about, who had died off in a far away ghetto. And somehow the differences in the reactions of those people surprises some of you? It makes sense for more people to be saddened by the passing of someone they know the backstory too and have "known" for years, or for a majority of the examples given in this thread, decades. It would be illogical to think otherwise. [/quote] Its not that "1 important person vs 1 non important person." Its that people only care because it was someone important. We are callous to those who aren't our own. We don't want to do anything to prevent something "terrible" like death, because its inconvienent. If people donated a dollar a day to charity, a lot of unnessecary pain and suffering would end. Its the people who say "Oh this is so bad, look how deep and emotional I am by acknowledging it" and do nothing who are truly terrible people. Im not going to put on a front to make myself look like I am a good person. I honestly don't care about any 3rd world person, I don't care about celebrity X. I have my own life to live. [quote name='Brushfire' timestamp='1346086277' post='6013973'] It will be interesting to see your reaction once someone you consider important (including those close to you) dies... will you shed more tears for them than you would other human beings? Chances are, yes. It's very strange to see someone telling others what kind of people they're allowed to shed tears over. [/quote] I remember going to my grandma's funeral. It was sad. Then I realized that all my memories of her, and everything she taught me I still have, and that by having these, she is still alive to me. I celebrate her life, not mourn her death. [quote name='Lil Wayne!' timestamp='1346093548' post='6014040'] I want a lavish ass funeral! :F [/quote] [img]http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f106/earchewer/Al1.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 [quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1346193858' post='6014896'] Its not that "1 important person vs 1 non important person." Its that people only care because it was someone important. We are callous to those who aren't our own. We don't want to do anything to prevent something "terrible" like death, because its inconvienent. If people donated a dollar a day to charity, a lot of unnessecary pain and suffering would end. Its the people who say "Oh this is so bad, look how deep and emotional I am by acknowledging it" and do nothing who are truly terrible people. Im not going to put on a front to make myself look like I am a good person. I honestly don't care about any 3rd world person, I don't care about celebrity X. I have my own life to live. [/quote]It's not like it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 [quote name='~Coolio~' timestamp='1346093342' post='6014038'] astronaut biker cowboy like Alex Louis Armstrong [/quote] Oh... Dear God... I cannot stop laughing... xD OT: He's definitely gone down in history, so at least he's not to be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brushfire Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 [quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1346193858' post='6014896'] I remember going to my grandma's funeral. It was sad. Then I realized that all my memories of her, and everything she taught me I still have, and that by having these, she is still alive to me. I celebrate her life, not mourn her death. [/quote] Don't really like the first half of your post but this is a fantastic attitude to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 This was the first man on the moon. [i]The first man on the f***ing moon.[/i] I cried. He was my inspiration for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 ^You probably didn't actually cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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