Kingdom Hearts Theories/Speculation Discussion(spoilers inside)

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

This is a thread for theories and speculations about the series so it's separate from the other ones. I thought it would be a good idea for people to be able to post their own theories. I ask that you put things in spoilers for the people that might whine about them not being in spoilers despite the thread title. Anyway, time to post what I've noticed.

1. Isa and Lea were the experiments conducted by Ansem's students. How do we know? They are numbers 7 and 8 and they were going to the castle after they met Ventus.

2. Xehanort and Terra's creation. When Xehanort lost his heart and possessed Terra, Terra still had his own heart inside his body. It wasn't until he took control temporarily(possibly him) and stabbed himself and became the Darkside Guardian. It explains why he hasn't shown up in Radiant Garden like he should have.

3. The Replica Program from Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days. Vexen speaks of Xion and a working replica. One of which he is taking to Castle Oblivion. Problem. It isn't Riku Replica so who is the replica Vexen speaks of? What we do know is that he was killed for absolutely no apparent reason.

4. In Coded, Data Sora is told that he has to help those connected to his heart. Namine being one of them as well as Roxas and Ventus. Sora allows Roxas into his heart later but [spoiler=spoiler]We don't see Namine in his Sora's Destiny Islands. Is she reborn already like ventus should?[/spoiler]
5. [spoiler=spoiler]Roxas and Xion are coming back in Kingdom Hearts 3. Xehanort clearly stated that Sora is the thirteenth darkness. Terra isn't a 7th light to fight so that leaves Mickey, Riku, Aqua, and Ventus. Lea and Kairi are still training. That leaves Xion and Roxas. Xemnas clearly stated that nobodies have hearts. Roxas and Xion are considered special nobodies and are nobodies nonetheless. Xion and Roxas have mantained their own existence within Sora. Xion said her and Roxas's memories together will always be inside Sora. I think that since Namine can be reborn as well, she may help Xion come back. After all, Xion and Roxas have their own hearts. If Xion's memories are chained back together her existence will be revived but first Roxas would need to come back. Ansem did provide the data for Sora to do this.[/spoiler]

[Phantom Roxas]

Awesome, I'm not the only one who thinks Terra is the Guardian. However, I don't think he became the Guardian once he stabbed himself, since that happens after Aqua and Xehanort fight. The way I saw it is that Xehanort stabs himself to get rid of Terra, which results in the Guardian being in pain, suggesting that the Guardian is Terra's heart given the form of a Heartless.

It was implied that Vexen had yet another replica? I thought what happened is that the program was terminated once Xion was deemed a failure.

Naminé didn't appear in Destiny Islands because she became one with Kairi. Xion fused with Roxas, who in turn fused with Sora, who bears Ven's heart, which is why those three are the ones to appear at the end.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

I think what Xehanort said in the throne room was literal. Mickey could only out six out of the seven but Xehanort said two of Mickey's are actually his. Terra was there so we know he is the second. Sora is the other. He says Mickey needs 3 more people. I think Xion, Roxas, and Lea are the three since Kairi doesn't know how to use hers yet unlike Lea.

[Phantom Roxas]

He planned to make Sora his thirteenth vessel, but Axel saved him, so Xehanort might be looking for a different vessel. Since Astro's Dude spoileriffic question was if Sora could still be the main character despite failing the exam, I think Sora still counts. KH3 will probably focus on a rotating cast, or it will be like the console games and we'll focus on Sora with the rest being handled via cutscenes.

The secret ending was meant to set up that Kairi would learn to use the Keyblade properly, so she and Lea joined the number. With them, Sora, Riku, and Mickey, that brings the number to five. Ven's smile implies that he could be woken up somehow, and then there's Aqua, so they could be the remaining Keyblade Wielders.

Looking at the [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/KingdomHeartsConfirmed]TV Tropes WMG[/url], and someone actually did guess the purpose of the true Organization XIII. Props to them.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

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He planned to make Sora his thirteenth vessel, but Axel saved him, so Xehanort might be looking for a different vessel. Since Astro's Dude spoileriffic question was if Sora could still be the main character despite failing the exam, I think Sora still counts. KH3 will probably focus on a rotating cast, or it will be like the console games and we'll focus on Sora with the rest being handled via cutscenes.

The secret ending was meant to set up that Kairi would learn to use the Keyblade properly, so she and Lea joined the number. With them, Sora, Riku, and Mickey, that brings the number to five. Ven's smile implies that he could be woken up somehow, and then there's Aqua, so they could be the remaining Keyblade Wielders.

Looking at the [url="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/KingdomHeartsConfirmed"]TV Tropes WMG[/url], and someone actually did guess the purpose of the true Organization XIII. Props to them.
[/quote]You forget that Roxas and Xion are coming back in KH3. I think Kairi will just be taught and not be a seventh because it's protectors. Besides, it would make more sense for it to be Mickey, Aqua, Riku, Ventus, Roxas, Xion, and Lea. After all, as far as we know Xehanort still wants Sora and now he has good reason. Kill three birds with one stone. The secret message did mention a new member but I feel like it's Xion. Having her be a seventh would give the 7 an edge over Soranart. Though, I feel like Namine will play a role with Xion's rebirth.

[Phantom Roxas]

Where was it stated that Roxas and Xion would be coming back? How does it make more sense for Xion, a clone of Sora based on Kairi, to be one of the seven guardians rather than Kairi herself? Yes, Xion has more experience, but Kairi's training could make her either on par with Xion or even surpass her. It could also prove to be another contrast to the True Organization XIII. The joke about there being multiple versions of Xehanort and Sora is an actual plot point, and while Xehanort's goal is to make as many versions of him as possible, the guardians of light are all different people. Sora told Roxas that he could be his own person, so the battle would also be on a symbolic level of one's individuality.

The secret message mentioned a new [b]number[/b], not a new member. It's saying what the next game will be, with "the past" implying that it's an HD remaster or "a new number" referring to Kingdom Hearts III.

Either Xehanort will try to make Sora his vessel again, or he'll go after someone else.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

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Where was it stated that Roxas and Xion would be coming back? How does it make more sense for Xion, a clone of Sora based on Kairi, to be one of the seven guardians rather than Kairi herself? Yes, Xion has more experience, but Kairi's training could make her either on par with Xion or even surpass her. It could also prove to be another contrast to the True Organization XIII. The joke about there being multiple versions of Xehanort and Sora is an actual plot point, and while Xehanort's goal is to make as many versions of him as possible, the guardians of light are all different people. Sora told Roxas that he could be his own person, so the battle would also be on a symbolic level of one's individuality.

The secret message mentioned a new [b]number[/b], not a new member. It's saying what the next game will be, with "the past" implying that it's an HD remaster or "a new number" referring to Kingdom Hearts III.

Either Xehanort will try to make Sora his vessel again, or he'll go after someone else.
[/quote]Kingdom Hearts 3. Read the secret message in the credits when blue letters appear. It was stated by Ansem the Wise multiple times. In his conversation with Aqua as well as Riku. Namine was a person in pain as well as the other three. In the hearts connected to Sora part of the glossary it states Xion, Roxas, and Ventus. Namine was a given in Re:Coded. Yes, a new number. In Organization 13 they called each other by their numbers numerous times. Xion will have more power than Kairi. The Path to Dawn is the stronger path but more dangerous. That's why Riku has been the stronger one since. Even his decks are more powerful than Sora's. Sora will be the thirteenth vessel. There is nobody else to cross off the list they used but Vexen's other puppet that he brought to Castle Oblivion. The seven wielders hasn't even been defined yet. The point is Roxas has a heart as well as Xion and Namine. Xemnas stated it himself. Nobodies have hearts. Ansem the Wise said Sora can mend connections and if he sees the heart in something he has the power to make it real.

[Phantom Roxas]

Right, I forgot about the blue letters, but I think it only said "This leads to Kingdom Hearts". It didn't say what the installment would be called, unless of course they're referring to Kingdom Hearts itself.

I didn't look at the glossary to see who was connected to Sora, but that doesn't actually mean those characters would become the protectors. However, you could interpret the opening FMV as foreshadowing, as Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ven, Aqua, Roxas, Donald, and Goofy are all fighting Xehanort. However, that's nine people, but you could bring that number down to seven by excluding Donald and Goofy, who even wonder if they're ever going to be important, but even then that list would be excluding Lea and Kairi. Yen Sid specifically requested her because she could use the Keyblade, suggesting that he intends to make her one of the protectors.

Xion was already called No. XIV, and the idea was that she and Roxas wouldn't be able to coexist forever. However, the number system applies only to the previous Organization, so that may not be the case for the new one. What I meant is that it's referring to a new numbered installment in the series, hence why I think it's teasing Kingdom Hearts III.

Are you saying Xion followed the Road to Dawn? I must have forgotten something, but she isn't her Keyblade supposedly fake? Kairi at least has a real Keyblade, since she inherited it from Aqua.

Oh, now I see what you mean about the other Replica, since he didn't create the Riku Replica until after he had fought Riku.

I know the seven wielders haven't been defined yet; isn't that why we're trying to figure out who they could be?

Yes, I know they have hearts and what Ansem said, but that doesn't mean they'll become the guardians. Look at my username, for crying out loud. Doesn't it seem weird to you that I'm insisting that Roxas will not be one of the guardians?

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

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Right, I forgot about the blue letters, but I think it only said "This leads to Kingdom Hearts". It didn't say what the installment would be called, unless of course they're referring to Kingdom Hearts itself.

I didn't look at the glossary to see who was connected to Sora, but that doesn't actually mean those characters would become the protectors. However, you could interpret the opening FMV as foreshadowing, as Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ven, Aqua, Roxas, Donald, and Goofy are all fighting Xehanort. However, that's nine people, but you could bring that number down to seven by excluding Donald and Goofy, who even wonder if they're ever going to be important, but even then that list would be excluding Lea and Kairi. Yen Sid specifically requested her because she could use the Keyblade, suggesting that he intends to make her one of the protectors.

Xion was already called No. XIV, and the idea was that she and Roxas wouldn't be able to coexist forever. However, the number system applies only to the previous Organization, so that may not be the case for the new one. What I meant is that it's referring to a new numbered installment in the series, hence why I think it's teasing Kingdom Hearts III.

Are you saying Xion followed the Road to Dawn? I must have forgotten something, but she isn't her Keyblade supposedly fake? Kairi at least has a real Keyblade, since she inherited it from Aqua.

Oh, now I see what you mean about the other Replica, since he didn't create the Riku Replica until after he had fought Riku.

I know the seven wielders haven't been defined yet; isn't that why we're trying to figure out who they could be?

Yes, I know they have hearts and what Ansem said, but that doesn't mean they'll become the guardians. Look at my username, for crying out loud. Doesn't it seem weird to you that I'm insisting that Roxas will not be one of the guardians?
[/quote]She can walk the road because she has darkness. Did you ever bother to think that ranking system in Days was there for more than for show? Xemnas is a keyblade wielder sort of so why couldn't he in a way have given the exam? As for Kairi being a protector. If we're automatically adding keyblade wielders we might as well bring out the highest chess piece, Yen Sid. However we can't because he is retired. The seven guardian of light are implied to be each princess's guardian. Yen Sid is obviously being cautious and by making an inexperienced keyblade wielder such as Kairi a guardian would be like throwing fish to a shark. Roxas and Xion are more plausible because they have more power. They can exist at the same time through Namine and Sora's power combined.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

New theory. Splintered selves are the Xehanorts?

Master Xehanort, Xemnas, Xehanort's Heartless, Time Travel Xehanort, Braig, Isa, Rikunart, Terranort, adult Xehanort(One that stared out at the beach), Armored No Heart, Soranort(not yet), and the others I don't know but presume to possibly be Luxord, Larxene, Demyx, or any other member not reborn yet but Rikunort is definitely plausible as is Terranort.

[Phantom Roxas]

Time Travel Xehanort is adult Xehanort, but they're both Young Xehanort. No Heart is an interesting choice, and could explain how he appeared in Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I agree that the original people that became Luxord, Larxene, Demyx, and Marluxia could be the other Xehanorts.

[JadenxAtemYAOI]

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Time Travel Xehanort is adult Xehanort, but they're both Young Xehanort. No Heart is an interesting choice, and could explain how he appeared in Birth by Sleep Final Mix. I agree that the original people that became Luxord, Larxene, Demyx, and Marluxia could be the other Xehanorts.
[/quote]We know Rikunart is one of them.