Sunshine Jesse Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I don't think anyone intelligent thought that Wind-Ups needed the loop to be a deck iirc they just sucked against Rabbit and Inzektors (I think,) but I could be wrong there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1347356886' post='6023137'] And your a fanboy, you can't claim to be unbiased here They are definitely OP still, and probably will be hit again in March. [/quote] I am a fanboy Shark is too adorable to get hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If you apply that Logic to banlists then rescue cat would still be around. -shudders in horror- OT: They are as powerful as ever. it's just now you can actually fight back. Shark will go, since it opens up way way to much with ease, or they cut Factory and Magician down to 1 for some odd reason. To kill the consitency, not much since they actually work as a 60 card deck as well as 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1347373998' post='6023205'] Shark to 0, keep the magicians. They are still playable but no longer AS playable (inb4: Magician/Rat+Foolish combo since it's not as consistent anyway). [/quote] While this would slow the deck down....it slows it down to the point of being a fun deck. The deck needs Shark to be competitive in today's meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347394827' post='6023420'] While this would slow the deck down....it slows it down to the point of being a fun deck. The deck needs Shark to be competitive in today's meta. [/quote] I don't see how that's a bad thing, especially for a deck like this I mean it's not even wanton murder of the deck like what happened to Inzektors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1347395311' post='6023428'] I don't see how that's a bad thing, especially for a deck like this I mean it's not even wanton murder of the deck like what happened to Inzektors [/quote] While I have no problem with decks being "fun decks"..I also what most decks to be competitive (Konami went too far with Inzektos IMO...Hornet to 0 and Dragonfly to 2 would have been fine with me...at least I get to keep my field) With no Shark...Wind-Ups are just too slow to really do anything at a competitive level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='βyakk' timestamp='1347322392' post='6022899'] If you limited Magician the deck would be tame. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1347217084' post='6022214'] Magician is the card that should be hit IMO, putting that to 1 makes the Deck much Tamer as it can't make the Butterfly play. [/quote] :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1347397674' post='6023449'] :/ [/quote] [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347245732' post='6022439'] Putting it to one does not really do much....the deck can still combo off one magician...it wont be s broken....but it would still be ridiculous. You can still go Magician, Shark...get Rat, make Papill, detach Shark put Rat in Atk, get Shark back with Rat, search another Shark with Factory, Make Shark Lvl 3, make Zenmaity, SS shark from the Deck, SS Shark from your Hand, make both Sharks lvl5, make Tiras/Audrus/Volca. Your Field is now, Papilloperative, Zenmaity and Tiras/Audrus/Volca just from1 Magician. [/quote] Putting Magician to 1 would make it tame Byakk...but I can still do the Butterfly play Kabu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Can we ban it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Banning it kills the deck. Putting it at 1 takes away the otk while still allowing the deck to be playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 But what about that weird combo that lets you drop two xyzes for 2 cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347401613' post='6023478'] but I can still do the Butterfly play Kabu [/quote] how is the photon pap play good if you only have magician + shark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1347404512' post='6023508'] But what about that weird combo that lets you drop two xyzes for 2 cards? [/quote] That play uses 2 Magicians to actually work. (1 in hand 1 in Deck) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='Grapha Demon Lord of Sexy' timestamp='1347405163' post='6023517'] That play uses 2 Magicians to actually work. (1 in hand 1 in Deck) [/quote] The one [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/289398-wind-ups-this-format/page__p__6022439#entry6022439"]here[/url],leaves you with a photon pap and a rank 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='βyakk' timestamp='1347404845' post='6023512'] how is the photon pap play good if you only have magician + shark [/quote] Its not as good, but you can still drop a big field and push for game if you're confident you can win that turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1347405313' post='6023519'] The one [url="http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/289398-wind-ups-this-format/page__p__6022439#entry6022439"]here[/url],leaves you with a photon pap and a rank 3 [/quote] The one we're worried about leaves you with a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347406911' post='6023528'] Its not as good, but you can still drop a big field and push for game if you're confident you can win that turn. [/quote] the biggest you can make is papillo, acid golem, and zenmaity which isn't really saying much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I'd rather make it a more fun deck in the first place. Even limiting Shark and Mag to 1 would mean you can still pull off combos up the @$$ if you can get either of them on the field, and if you get both into hand...well it speaks for itself from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Majishan Posted September 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 [quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1347470663' post='6023897'] I'd rather make it a more fun deck in the first place. Even limiting Shark and Mag to 1 would mean you can still pull off combos up the @$$ if you can get either of them on the field, and if you get both into hand...well it speaks for itself from there. [/quote] A deck can be fun and competitive. I have a blast playing the deck as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted September 13, 2012 Report Share Posted September 13, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347511219' post='6024358'] A deck can be fun and competitive. I have a blast playing the deck as is. [/quote]Gishki is fun for me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='Le Magician' timestamp='1347511219' post='6024358'] A deck can be fun and competitive. I have a blast playing the deck as is. [/quote] [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1347512998' post='6024377'] Gishki is fun for me too. [/quote] Toys from Atlantis with a hint of Slyfer the Sky Dragon is the deck for me. Even then as fun as it is, the +s Wind-Ups make is somewhat broke. 2 cards = 4 Xyz monsters...where is that not broke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 TGU + Shark is an OTK. TGU -> Zenmaighty Zenmaighty -> Magician SS Shark Magician Grab Magician Overlay Used Magician and Shark into Zenmaister. (board is Zenmaighty w/ 1 Material, Zenmaister w/2, Magician w/ eff) Detach Zenmaister Material, put Zenmaighty FD. Magician activates Grab Shark. Overlay into Photon papilloperative. Detach Shark from Photon Papilloperative, put Zenmaighty into ATK. Detach from Zenmaighty, grab Rat. Rat grabs Shark Shark level 3. Overlay into GigaBrilliant 2400(Photon Pap) + 2100(brilliant) + 2500 (Zenmaister) + 1200(Zenmaighty) = 8200 not sure if it was covered in the thread. Deck has too many stupid 2 card OTKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='BehindTheMask' timestamp='1347640305' post='6025039'] Detach from Zenmaighty, grab Rat. [/quote] I forget, don't Xyz lose their materials when flipped face-down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1347641357' post='6025046'] I forget, don't Xyz lose their materials when flipped face-down? [/quote] Nope. [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:Falzar_FZ/Misc#Xyz-MonsterFaceDown"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:Falzar_FZ/Misc#Xyz-MonsterFaceDown[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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