Galkin Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 [img]http://i.imgur.com/GPo7h.jpg[/img] [quote]Original: Both players send 1 Monster Card in their Extra Deck to their Graveyards. If a player sends a Monster Card with a level higher than their opponent's: They can look at their opponent's Extra Deck and target 2 Monster Cards; send them to the Graveyard[/quote] You see, the Extra Deck has become so precious as of late, and XYZ have become priceless. What better way to tweak both things down a notch? Fusions have more high levels, Synchros are OK, and XYZ is out of the question if you want to keep them... Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 That sounds a little overpowered in my opinion. I don't think cards should give you that much insight into what your opponent is playing. I mean you just put in your random Decisive Armor or your Dragon Master Knight and take out 3 cards from your opponents extra deck. Not to mention you now fully know what their extra deck is meaning you now have a one-up on your opponent in terms of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 This is not overpowered at all, in fact I would be reluctant to get rid of 1 card just to look at your opponent's extra and send 2 cards. However, it seems quite useful first turn at looking at your opponent's extra, getting the gist of what they are playing and I'd see it being sided against Wind-Up (ditch Zenmaity and Photon Papilloperative) and Rabbit (ditch both Laggias) Good card, I like it and well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I like it, great anti meta card. Your OCG is great. I would definitely run it, although sending 2 is a bit much isn't it? You would disrupt potentially huge plays, which is a good thing but if it's over done it's oped. Also huge downside if you send the lower level. I would just make it targeting 1 card and sending that to grave instead. If it were to be release, it would be limited or semi'd at most. A person could have a swarm and beat strategy (6 sam, Dark World, Hieratic, etc.) and run a couple level 12's in their extra then run this @ 2-3. They would swarm and get rid of any future possibilities you may have of turning the game.This is my opinion, so i could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 No, it wouln't, it's a side deck tech card which many people wouldn't even bother running. It's a big pain to waste a card and then realise your opponent plays 3 Laggia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpakha Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='Kabasaurus' timestamp='1347959484' post='6027161'] No, it wouln't, it's a side deck tech card which many people wouldn't even bother running. It's a big pain to waste a card and then realise your opponent plays 3 Laggia. [/quote] Veiler was a 'side deck card', now it's a staple in almost every deck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Is Veiler overpowered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 just me just target 1 instead of 2 1 high level monster in your extra deck for 2 lower level in your opponent's extra deck instead of 3 would be fine a malefic deck would love this multiple copies of cyber end or rank 10 then activate multiple copies of this to destroy your opponent's entire extra deck an still have a copy to banish to ss a malefic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 If it only hits 1 card nobody would play it because you're essentially losing one card for nothing and you can't even stun them very much, apart from hitting the Zenmaity in Wind-Up and the Shi En in Samurai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I wonder what would happen if I filled my Extra deck with Normal Fusions like "B. Skull Dragon" or "Meteor B. Dragon"...anyway, if it puts Synchros and Xyzs in their place, I'm game. My primary qualm is aesthetic: there's already a card with a very similar name, "Chain Destruction" [[url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Chain_Destruction"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Chain_Destruction[/url]]. The two effects are completely unrelated, but I'd suggest changing this card's name to avoid confusion. Beyond that, I can't think of any major problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Pretty sure this has abuse cases with Phantom of Chaos, but I'm too lazy to find them right now. I don't like it. Summoning your boss monsters should be a cool, fun part of the game. It should feel like the climax and be a struggle for your opponent. This card can kill that enjoyable part of the game and push things towards throwing Rai-ohs mindlessly at each other and such. Anti-Meta Format is not a fun format, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1347977026' post='6027273'] Pretty sure this has abuse cases with Phantom of Chaos, but I'm too lazy to find them right now. I don't like it. Summoning your boss monsters should be a cool, fun part of the game. It should feel like the climax and be a struggle for your opponent. This card can kill that enjoyable part of the game and push things towards throwing Rai-ohs mindlessly at each other and such. Anti-Meta Format is not a fun format, guys. [/quote] This is coming from a guy that hates Xyzs and winning a game in 3 turns, but I think this balances things out. There's a difference between "summoning your boss monsters being a cool, fun part of the game" and "spamming Extra Deck monsters so quickly that your opponent has no time to react". I'd always take the former over the latter, and if this thing allows me to slow down the latter so I can pull off the former, then so much the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='Stan Alda' timestamp='1347977808' post='6027281'] This is coming from a guy that hates Xyzs and winning a game in 3 turns, but I think this balances things out. There's a difference between "summoning your boss monsters being a cool, fun part of the game" and "spamming Extra Deck monsters so quickly that your opponent has no time to react". I'd always take the former over the latter, and if this thing allows me to slow down the latter so I can pull off the former, then so much the better. [/quote] Maybe this card should only target monsters below a certain level/rank? Like, below level 8 or below rank 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garthfunkle Vii Backwards Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1347978117' post='6027286'] Maybe this card should only target monsters below a certain level/rank? Like, below level 8 or below rank 5? [/quote] ? monsters in your extra deck whose level or rank is 8 or lower but at your sugestion what happen if both pick 8 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 You cannot target cards in the Extra Deck. I don't know if this is supposed to be anti-Xyz. The ruling interaction between this card and an Xyz Monster is unclear. But an Xyz Monster is not "Level 0"; it has no Level. Therefore, if your opponent dumped an Xyz Monster, you would probably not get the last effect even if you dumped Armityle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galkin Posted September 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I have the new version up. Some clarification: If both players send a monster with equal level, nothing happens. If a player cannot find monsters whose levels will equal less than their sent monster, nothing happens (but they get to see the Extra Deck). Fusions are still top pick for this, synchros are OK and XYZ get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Nothing wrong with the balance. It actually sounds like a pretty fun card in regards to potential. For example: -Send Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon. Then discard a King of the Swamp and use Dragon's Mirror. In a build that needs no random BLS Ritual Monster, it messes up your opponent's extra Deck, and the Polymerization could just serve as Deck-thinning material as well as Summoner Monk fodder for all I care. -Send HERO monster instead and use Miracle Fusion, after all, Xyz monsters are a bit more common nowadays, making you most likely the winner even though it's not a Level 12. -Send Miracle Synchro Fusion target instead. What matters is, you get to know what your opponent's Extra Deck is, getting a hint at what their Main Deck is, getting rid of 3 key cards in it that might bother you during the Duel, and take advantage of your card being sent as well in some way. It does not even matter that it is a -1. I'd say nice work. We only have 2 other cards IRL that do something similar. Gale Dogra, and a Dragunity Synchro, but I can safely claim this card is superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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