Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [img]http://i50.tinypic.com/6h1h1u.png[/img] Upon first glance, this looks like one of the most horrible cards to ever have been created. We all know that Level 1 monsters have gotten much more powerful lately, but the condition of already having a Level 1 on the field, and if you don't [i]Normal Summon[/i] the monster you added, you'll take 2000 damage make the card very situational. Really, the only point to it would be to add Mystic Piper, right? Well, until someone brought it up recently in a thread, I hadn't realized until then a set of cards this particular one can abuse--a set of cards that if you're running them, you always want them in your hand. [img]http://i49.tinypic.com/33vzseh.jpg[/img] Yes, the Exodia pieces, save for the head itself, are all Level 1. Not only that, but there are a lot of stall cards that are Level 1, and could very easily be ran in Exodia decks. Let's say... Cyber Valley and Battle Fader? Basically, having these cards on the field gives you an instant Exodia piece. Not bad, eh? This card isn't just good for a single search, though. Stupidly enough, the effect damage is good for Exodia decks, as it gives you immediate access to Hope for Escape's effect. [img]http://i47.tinypic.com/2prvkh5.png[/img] You summon Cyber Valley, activate some Arfs, and set a Hope for Escape, and your opponent might as well quit right then and there. You take 2000-6000 damage, but they're (not very likely) to deal any damage to you, and you get an immediate 1-3 draws off of your Hope for Escape (more if you set up correctly), and possibly a draw off Cyber Valley too. If you don't want to take that damage, because your Life Points are too low, you can just drop another card found in the new Exodia arsenal: One Day of Peace. Yes, the card that was meant to stop you from OTKing your opponent while setting up your OTKs can also give you cost-free Exodia searches. Balance. I've been testing an Exodia deck using this card, and it has won 8 duels and only lost 1, and that's because of a Morphing Jar (which can be sided against). Either the creator of this card was high when he made it, or Konami wants to break Exodia decks once and for all. Discuss, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Beautiful in Piper Exodia. Beautiful like a kick in the crotch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1350968276' post='6051444'] Beautiful in Piper Exodia. Beautiful like a kick in the crotch. [/quote] Maybe my build was wrong, but I tried to build "piper exodia", and it was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1350968556' post='6051447'] Maybe my build was wrong, but I tried to build "piper exodia", and it was horrible. [/quote] It's ok, a lot less consistant and fast than other Exodia builds, but it gets the job done and it's a little more interactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Seriously. Let's just ban Exodia. How is it not f*cking time yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I like how it's only a problem with one card that deserves to be banned regardless and one card that arguably deserves a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Exa Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Card is best used in Exodia, as said, in other situations it's just junk. I do like the name change though (for once). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1350974627' post='6051491'] Seriously. Let's just ban Exodia. How is it not f*cking time yet? [/quote] Because Exodia "breaks" Hope for Escape, Where arf thou? and other cards? Yes plz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1350974627' post='6051491'] Seriously. Let's just ban Exodia. How is it not f*cking time yet? [/quote] Exodia was the first alternate win condition. Exodia was the only card to be specifically mentioned in the rulebook. Exodia is a "classic" card, being in the first booster, and appearing in one of the most iconinc scenes in the anime. Ergo, according to Konami logic, Exodia will never be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1351000971' post='6051637'] Exodia was the first alternate win condition. Exodia was the only card to be specifically mentioned in the rulebook. Exodia is a "classic" card, being in the first booster, and appearing in one of the most iconinc scenes in the anime. Ergo, according to Konami logic, Exodia will never be banned. [/quote] > Konami > caring about anime > 'Raigeki was in the first booster pack, ergo it won't be banned.' Also, why does everything think Where Arf Thou Exodia is good? At least decks like Empty Jar have a mathematically calculable win rate (which happens to be 69-70%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 When did empty jar go all the way up to 70%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1351001367' post='6051638'] > Konami > caring about anime [/quote] Konami themselves have not only given those exact reasons for not banning Exodia, they clearly care enough about the anime that they attempted to create The Seal of Orichalcos to mirror its appearances in the anime. (They botched it yes, but they attempted.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1351001643' post='6051641'] When did empty jar go all the way up to 70%? [/quote] Providing you go first, you have a guaranteeed 70% with an ideal decklist. If you go second, it decreases a bit, but it's not too bad. The chances of you winning the match kinda go down a lot though simply because of side decking, the inevitability that you're not going to go first all the time, misplays and OTKs. [quote name='EmpoleMew' timestamp='1351001779' post='6051642'] Konami themselves have not only given those exact reasons for not banning Exodia, they clearly care enough about the anime that they attempted to create The Seal of Orichalcos to mirror its appearances in the anime. (They botched it yes, but they attempted.) [/quote] They only did the Seal because it's just another business opportunity. For all I care, I'd rather buy Seals for tournament play. I don't really care about anime (that's just another way to advertise, really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1350968164' post='6051442'] Really, the only point to it would be to add Mystic Piper, right?[/quote] Moja Cyber Valley Uniflora Kinka-Byo Fader Meklords etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1351005247' post='6051679'] Moja Cyber Valley Uniflora Kinka-Byo Fader Meklords etc [/quote] Out of those, Cyber Valley, Uniflora, and Kinka-Byo are the only ones you would actually summon after you add them to your hand, so you're sacrificing 2000 Life Points to add a card to your hand in a situation where you have a level 1 monster face-up on the field for whatever reason. Also, to address other people's concerns: 1. It is completely true this card is only broken when used with Exodia, whilst the other broken cards in the deck can be used in their own deck type to search their win conditions together. This card can be used to search for cards, but none of them game-breaking besides Exodia. 2. Where Arf Thou? Exodia is really just like any other Exodia deck. Its conditions are somewhat conflicting, but as far as speed goes, it's greatly increased compared to other, non-FTK Exodia. 3. Exodia is not just "a classic", but actually part of the brand identity known as Yu-Gi-Oh!. It's not just "nostalgia" that holds it in place, but the company's image partially relies on Exodia. They have used its image so much, it's extremely iconic, and even people who have never played Yu-Gi-Oh! know its name or could recognize its image. Basically, if they got rid of it, they would be throwing out their own identity (and some free advertisement). 4. In case anyone was wondering, I am saying this card is broken in its original sense, saying that it serves a function that it shouldn't, and that gives players an unfair advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I'd happily pay 2000 to add a Fader/Veiler/Swift Scarecrow/Granel to my hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Kabbles' timestamp='1351009284' post='6051729'] I'd happily pay 2000 to add a Fader/Veiler/Swift Scarecrow/Granel to my hand. [/quote] Sure, but what is going to be on the field to gain the search? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Puppet Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Kabbles' timestamp='1351009284' post='6051729'] I'd happily pay 2000 to add a Fader/Veiler/Swift Scarecrow/Granel to my hand. [/quote] Id rather add a Wisel than a Granel [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1351009982' post='6051740'] Sure, but what is going to be on the field to gain the search? [/quote] Mystic Piper/Kinka-Byo/Battle Fader Piper abuses this card to absolutely no end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelancerRaiko Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 Great. You know why don't just go ahead and ban Exodia already? With cards like this it's just getting closer and closer to that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 What's the next YCS? I may just bring Exodia for shits. Also, Battle Fader -> This -> Cyber Valley -> Draw 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Agro' timestamp='1351013137' post='6051775'] What's the next YCS? I may just bring Exodia for shits. Also, Battle Fader -> This -> Cyber Valley -> Draw 2. [/quote] Seattle I believe. Exodia does have to be banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoRWBY65 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 At my locals, a guy was using Exodia Dragon, and this was in it. He hit me twice with triple Where Arf Thou? and won both times due to him having 2 of the pieces and grabbing the remaining three with the Where Arf Thou? cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I just used Magical Mallet to return 2 exodia pieces to my deck, because I just needed to draw into the head. Then used Arfs to get them back. I drew it, and won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 You know, if you care about the 2000 damage, using it alongside One Day of Peace is always an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Wildflame' timestamp='1351022562' post='6051874'] You know, if you care about the 2000 damage, using it alongside One Day of Peace is always an option. [/quote] I actually had edited that into the opening post last night, but it's good that someone else caught it =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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