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[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1353430223' post='6074114']
Hey guys, I've had a minor revelation yesterday (after playing my little brother), and I think a customized ban list for this format WILL be taking in effect. In fact, let me give you the know-how:

There will be 2 Lists. 1 is the Power Ban List and the other is the Specialized Ban List. Both are treated as "seperate" ban lists and you will be able to choose both 1 Limited, Semilimits, and Special Unlimiteds from the Power Banned and Specialized Ban List. First, let me show you the custom ban lists:

[spoiler=Power Ban List]

[size=5][b]Limited [/b][/size]
[color=#ff8c00][b]EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
CHAOS SORCERER
DARK ARMED DRAGON
ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS
GORZ THE EMISSARY OF DARKNESS
INZEKTOR DRAGONFLY
NZEKTOR HORNET
NECROFACE
RED-EYES DARKNESS METAL DRAGON [/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]LEGENDARY SIX SAMURAI - SHI EN
T.G. HYPER LIBRARIAN [/b][/color]
[b][color=#000000]WIND-UP CARRIER ZENMAITY [/color][/b]
[color=#008000][b]CARD DESTRUCTION
INFERNITY LAUNCHER
GATEWAY OF THE SIX [/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]SOLEMN JUDGMENT
ULTIMATE OFFERING[/b][/color]

[size=5][color=#000000][b]Semi-Limited [/b][/color][/size]
[color=#ff8c00][b]ARCHLORD KRISTYA
RESCUE RABBIT
TOUR GUIDE FROM THE UNDERWORLD
THE AGENT OF MYSTERY - EARTH [/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]SHIEN'S SMOKE SIGNAL [/b][/color]
[b][color=#800080]SOLEMN WARNING [/color][/b]
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Specialized Ban List]
[size=5][b]Special Limited[/b][/size]
[color=#ff8c00][b]NIGHT ASSAILANT
PLAGUESPREADER ZOMBIE
T.G. STRIKER
TSUKUYOMI[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]ALLURE OF DARKNESS
BOOK OF MOON
MONSTER GATE
ONE FOR ONE
PRIMAL SEED
SCAPEGOAT [/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]MAGICAL EXPLOSION
THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT [/b][/color]

Special Semi-Limited
[color=#ff8c00][b]CARD TROOPER [/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]DEWLOREN, TIGER KING OF THE ICE BARRIER [/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]MAGICAL STONE EXCAVATION
POT OF DUALITY
REASONING [/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]BOTTOMLESS TRAP HOLE
MIND CRUSH
MIRROR FORCE
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE[/b][/color]

[size=5][b]Special Unlimited [/b][/size]
[color=#ffff00][b]Blue-Eyes White Dragon [/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]White Stone of Legend [/b][/color]
[/spoiler]

So what does this list mean?

It means I can run both Foolish Burial and Chaos Sorcerer, or Book of Moon and RedRum in the same deck. Also, you cannot run any cards in the Power Ban List with each other. Only the Specialized Ban List cards can do this, but that second set of Semi-Limited, Limited and Unlimited card(s) take up the space of your would be Power Ban cards, so if I decided to run both Duality and Bottomless Trap Hole, I cannot run Solemn Warning or Rescue Rabbit and such. So what about the Special Unlimited? These cards can be run as 3 besides your regular 3, but only 1 card on the list. So you can run 3 BEWD with 3 Trade-Ins and 2 White Stones, or 3 White Stones, 3 Cards of Consonance, and 2 BEWD. The rest of the cards (and the ones here) are all up for debate, and this will be the custom ban list we will be using for Chance's Format - Tournament V.
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As far as the list goes, Pot of Duality and Torrential Tribute, along with more than likely Mirror Force, should really be power cards. Allure I am sort of on the fence about, considering how useful it is, but it's just a +0, so I guess it can slide...

I also think that we should only get to choose 1 from the list, not a limited AND sem-limited. Just 1 "Special List Card".

EDIT: Oh yeah, and you still can't play Exodia because none of the limbs are available to pick... unless that means they're unlimited. The list is also incomplete, because I don't see Charge of the Light Brigade.

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Okay lets look at it this way. Based on the supposedly "top tier" decks what do you see? They'r all different. Even though two are monarchs they'r still different deck styles. The point I'm making that as it stands currently. We'v had a variety of different decks top. Adding this new rule or what ever pretty much puts everything at a clean slate. So why is that nessary?

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I don't see how this can hurt the game if the cards are in the right places. Reasoning is not a powerful card. Book of Moon is not a powerful card. However, they can be used in certain decks, and they can add more to the game. They are not going to make it so decks aren't good or that other decks are great all of a sudden.

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The issue isn't the fact the decks are topping, its the fact that there are still broken parts to them, that makes it so non top tier decks can't stand a chance. I mean one of the aims of the format was to try and balance things so that tiers were less relevant, and less of a presence.

Besides this is worth a trial at least. No great harm can come from that right now. Everything up till now has been about trialing things.

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Well...in the meantime...let me give you guys my "True Ideal" list. This is completely through my own bias and can be questioned however you please:

[i][b]Power Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][b]BLS[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Exodia Head[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]DAD[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Stratos[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Gorz[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Inzektor Dragonfly[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Inzektor Hornet[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Lonefire[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Morphing Jar[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Necroface[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]RedRum[/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]Shi En[/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]T.G. Hyper Librarian[/b][/color]
[color=#000000][b]Wind-Up Zenmaity[/b][/color]
[color=#0000FF][b]Evigishki Gustkraken[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Advanced Ritual Art[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Black Whirlwind[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Card Destruction[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Dark Hole[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Gateway of the Six[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Heavy Storm[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Infernity Launcher[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Limiter Removal[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Monster Reborn[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Reinforcement of the Army[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Ceasefire[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Return from the Different Dimension[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Solemn Judgment[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Ultimate Offering[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FFD700][b]Exodia's Limbs[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Chaos Sorcerer[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Gale the Whirlwind[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Dandylion[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]G.Beast Bestiari[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Honest [/b][/color](Questionable even by my own standard)
[color=#FF8C00][b]Mezuki[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Grand Mole[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Night Assailant[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Plague Spreader[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Sangan[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Spore[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]T.G. Striker[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Tsukuyomi[/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]Formula Synchron[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Allure of Darkness[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Book of Moon[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Burial from the Different Dimension[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Charge of the Light Brigade[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Foolish Burial[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Mind Control[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Monster Gate[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]One for One[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Pot of Avarice[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Primal Seed[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Scapegoat[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Magical Explosion[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]The Transmigration Prophecy[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Wall of Revealing Light[/b][/color]

[i][b]Power Semi-Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Archlord Kristya[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Kalut[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Lumina[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Rescue Rabbit[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Tour Guide[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Tragoedia[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]The Agent - Earth[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]A Hero Lives[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Chain Strike[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]E - Emergency Call[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Pot of Duality[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Royal Tribute[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Shi En's Smoke Signal[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Solemn Warning[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Torrential Tribute[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Semi-Limited[/b][/i]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Card Trooper[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Debris Dragon[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Malicious[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Summoner Monk[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Reborn Tengu[/b][/color]
[color=#a9a9a9][b]Dewloren[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Magical Stone Excavation[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Reasoning[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Bottomless Trap Hole[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Mind Crush[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Mirror Force[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Ojama Trio[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Unlimited:[/b][/i]
[color=#ffd700][b]Blue-Eyes White Dragon[/b][/color]
[color=#ffd700][b]Mokey Mokey[/b][/color]

[color=#000000]Considering:[/color]
Power Limiting/Semi-Limiting Burei and Bureido (cuz I be butt hurt :P)
Hitting the Naturia Synchros both to Power Limit
Bringing Back:
Glow-Up Bulb to Power Limited
Giant Trunade to Power Limited
Rescue Cat to Power Limited
Sinister Serpent to Special Limited
Witch of the Black Forest to Special Limited
Premature Burial to Power Limited
Last Will to Power Limited
Cyber Jar to Power Limited
[s]Brionac to Power Limited[/s]
Brain Control to Power Limited
SWAP Frog to Special Semi-Limit
JD to Power Semi

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No to Glow-Up Bulb flat out.

In fact... No to most of those moves. I do not want things like Atlanteans or Fableds getting Brionac, Sinister Serpant, becuase its still infinite discard fodder/stall and such.

Cat... No. I don't want to see Rabbit decks with the cat as well, or all the other plays it can set up into.

The naturia synchros... I'm kinda ok with that.

Cyber Jar is the one I am least concerned about. I know the Dark Hole- special summon is stupid, but I'm to used to it on Tag Force to really comment on that one. Witch is kinda on the edge for me, I giving up power-limited or what ever for it would be quite intresting indeed...

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[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1353435192' post='6074160']
Well...in the meantime...let me give you guys my "True Ideal" list. This is completely through my own bias and can be questioned however you please:

[i][b][spoiler="Things"]Power Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FF8C00][b]BLS[/b][/color] - Should be banned, in my opinion.
[color=#FF8C00][b]Exodia Head[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]DAD[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Stratos[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Gorz[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Inzektor Dragonfly[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Inzektor Hornet[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Lonefire[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Morphing Jar[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Necroface[/b][/color] - Not really a power card by any means. It does have its own decks that can greatly benefit from it, but it is not groundbreaking at 1.
[color=#FF8C00][b]RedRum[/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]Shi En[/b][/color]
[color=#808080][b]T.G. Hyper Librarian[/b][/color]
[color=#000000][b]Wind-Up Zenmaity[/b][/color]
[color=#0000FF][b]Evigishki Gustkraken[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Advanced Ritual Art[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Black Whirlwind[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Card Destruction[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Dark Hole[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Gateway of the Six[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Heavy Storm[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Infernity Launcher[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Limiter Removal[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Monster Reborn[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Reinforcement of the Army[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Ceasefire[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Return from the Different Dimension[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Solemn Judgment[/b][/color] - On the fence about this being a power card. While very good, it still requires timing and skill to play, and can be a dead draw.
[color=#800080][b]Ultimate Offering[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#FFD700][b]Exodia's Limbs[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Chaos Sorcerer[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Gale the Whirlwind[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Dandylion[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]G.Beast Bestiari[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Honest [/b][/color]- Also questionable to me. It's a power card in its own right.
[color=#FF8C00][b]Mezuki[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Grand Mole[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Night Assailant[/b][/color] - 100% deserves to be here.
[color=#FF8C00][b]Plague Spreader[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Sangan[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Spore[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]T.G. Striker[/b][/color]
[color=#FF8C00][b]Tsukuyomi[/b][/color] - Also deserves to be here.
[color=#808080][b]Formula Synchron[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Allure of Darkness[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Book of Moon[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Burial from the Different Dimension[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Charge of the Light Brigade[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Foolish Burial[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Mind Control[/b][/color] - Power card, in my opinion.
[color=#008000][b]Monster Gate[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]One for One[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Pot of Avarice[/b][/color] - On the fence about its position here.
[color=#008000][b]Primal Seed[/b][/color] - If Envoy of the Beginning was banned, then this could be at 3 again.
[color=#008000][b]Scapegoat[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Magical Explosion[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]The Transmigration Prophecy[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Wall of Revealing Light[/b][/color]

[i][b]Power Semi-Limited:[/b][/i]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Archlord Kristya[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Kalut[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Lumina[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Rescue Rabbit[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Tour Guide[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Tragoedia[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]The Agent - Earth[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]A Hero Lives[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Chain Strike[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]E - Emergency Call[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Hieratic Seal of Convocation[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Pot of Duality[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Royal Tribute[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Shi En's Smoke Signal[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Solemn Warning[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Torrential Tribute[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Semi-Limited[/b][/i]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Card Trooper[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Debris Dragon[/b][/color] - Should be power, in my opinion.
[color=#ff8c00][b]Malicious[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Summoner Monk[/b][/color]
[color=#ff8c00][b]Reborn Tengu[/b][/color]
[color=#a9a9a9][b]Dewloren[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Magical Stone Excavation[/b][/color]
[color=#008000][b]Reasoning[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Bottomless Trap Hole[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Mind Crush[/b][/color]
[color=#800080][b]Mirror Force[/b][/color] - Really feel like it's a power card.
[color=#800080][b]Ojama Trio[/b][/color]

[i][b]Special Unlimited:[/b][/i]
[color=#ffd700][b]Blue-Eyes White Dragon[/b][/color]
[color=#ffd700][b]Mokey Mokey[/b][/color]

[color=#000000]Considering:[/color]
Power Limiting/Semi-Limiting Burei and Bureido (cuz I be butt hurt :P) - Not really "power card" material in my opinion.
Hitting the Naturia Synchros both to Power Limit - A special limit would be fine, in my opinion.
Bringing Back:
Glow-Up Bulb to Power Limited - NO
Giant Trunade to Power Limited - Maybe
Rescue Cat to Power Limited - NO
Sinister Serpent to Special Limited - Really don't feel it should come back.
Witch of the Black Forest to Special Limited - What? Are you kidding?
Premature Burial to Power Limited - No.
Last Will to Power Limited - Leaning very strongly to no.
Cyber Jar to Power Limited - No.
Brionac to Power Limited - No.
Brain Control to Power Limited - 100% no. Especially with Monarchs being top-tier already[/spoiler]
[/quote]
In the spoiler is all of my thoughts on the cards.

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Bye bye BLS. We will forever miss you not.

I'm...kinda not agreeing with Necroface. Even at 1, it can still make it's own deck and still be quite devastating...so I'm going with that one as a Power Card still.

I'm also disagreeing with Judgment since it can stop quite a ton of stuff for a supposedly hefty price. If it comes back as a Special Limited...there could be problems...

Hmm Honest can stay as a Special Limited...if there's problems, we can correct it.

Mind Control as a power card...well actually I agree.

Avarice is fine where it is imo.

Primal Seed, go back to 3.

Debris as a power...hmmm...I actually don't really think of it as a power card...but then again, Tour Guide and Rabbit are there, so this should be there too.

Mirror Force joins TT

Naturia Beast and Bark are Special Limits.

Giant Trunade still up for debate for Power Limit

Glow-Up...with plants and most of the stuff dumbed down, why not?

The rest I agree.

What about JD as a Power Semi-Limit?

What about SWAP Frog as a Special Semi-Limit?

Also, thoughts on Metamorphosis?

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Well, Lumina, in my opinion, should just be a Special Limited. She actually doesn't do a lot by herself, and plus then you can't run both her and Trooper. JD I am okay with being a power semi-limited. Though I still feel that Machina Fortress needs to be on the list as a power semi-limited. It really makes a deck.

We might as well not put in any banned cards, though, because then we have to play in Traditional.

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If we hit Fortress, Grapha is only a logical step from there. People will argue it, and I can sort of understand why given a reccureing 2700 beater with popping potential in this format is kinda worse than normal.

And the two Karakuri Shoguns? Umm... the higher level one no, and the other one yes. My own expeirience with them shows that the first is quite hard to make relatively, but that is bad logic I admit. But that one I'm iffy about. I'd want to test against them myself before I pass Judgement.

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[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1353438014' post='6074192']
Alright, scapping all banned cards to the trash pile for now.

Lumina as a Special Limit....oh and correction Slayer, you CAN run 2 Special Limits together. You CANNOT run 2 Power Limits together.

So if Lumina is a Special Limit, and Card Trooper as well, you CAN run both of them in the same deck.
[/quote]
Well, either way I don't see a need for both Lumina AND JD to be put together, because that doesn't just harm the deck, it pretty much kills it completely.

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[quote name='Chance Furlong' timestamp='1353451196' post='6074328']
Nope. It's decent, especially since I had Emeral to recycle. What did go dead on me was that new Spell, Quick Boost.
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How I beat your deck even once I'll never understand........


Also heres an updated version of my Gears Deck

[spoiler=CF: GEARS]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZSK5w.png[/img]

[/spoiler]
Thoughts?

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