cardcommando Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Theres highera normal monsters than that meta... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 In order for a deck full of vanillas to be any "decent", they need to have high ATK, higher than that of the average monster, I.e. gene-warped warwolf. But they won't because rabbit exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Have you never heard the expression the best offence is a good defence? Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't like things like Vanguard where defence and attacking are both nessacary, and you can specialised in one to win the second. In Yu-Gi-Oh! you will win by blundgoning your opponent to death, all defending would be is stalling, which is dull for the other team to play against. The only defensive deck that works in the game is Control, becuase it's making your opponent do the plays you want, not what they want. No other defensive force can really compare to that IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Control decks are pretty interesting, IMO. They usually don't go all Herpderp loop-de-loop and they stimulate player-player interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardcommando Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 If thats how it is then my topic is useless......jk I already have 2 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Alda Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 ATK isn't as high of a priority as effects and support. Xyzs, for example, wouldn't be nearly as fast and powerful if support cards like TGU or that damned varmint Rescue Rabbit didn't exist. Utopia has unimpressive ATK for its costs (at least compared to the beginnings of the game) but its effects are the real killers. Game-winning attacks are the ends, but effects are the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='cardcommando' timestamp='1354135741' post='6080361'] But its defense that wins basketball. [/quote]The Miami Heat. Your point is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 [quote name='cardcommando' timestamp='1354135911' post='6080365'] Theres highera normal monsters than that meta... [/quote] You don't know memes huh? But yea all you can do with a Vanilla is give it a bunch of attack. There's no other way to buff them. They made support cards for Vanillas but they usually end up with them going into Xyz so it's not a Vanilla deck like I'm sure you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='cardcommando' timestamp='1354136331' post='6080376']If thats how it is then my topic is useless......jk I already have 2 pages.[/quote] Except most of the posts are joke-posts. If there was a good deck around Defence, it would be boring to play against, or would have to mix Offence with the Defence to stay interesting and fun for both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 ATK values literally don't mean anything. Why? Because every card you would normally run over, you just play Dark Hole instead. Only as a last ditch effort, do you run over something by battle. Until then, spam effects that remove cards from the field, and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Final Countdown is a good defensive deck, play that. It could help make some friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1354151568' post='6080580'] Final Countdown is a good defensive deck, play that. It could help make some friends beat you over the head with JFK's nine-iron. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1354151568' post='6080580'] Final Countdown is a good defensive deck, play that. It could help make some friends. [/quote] Nah, Exodia is more fun to duel against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1354151568' post='6080580'] Final Countdown is a good defensive deck, play that. It could help make some friends. [/quote] When are you going to put those sarcasm tags in the Shop? .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekko1990 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Would be fun if you could have more of those situations where your opponent attacks into your face down with a level 5 pluss monster expecting to nuke it, but taking damage instead. You only have defender to do that these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='ekko1990' timestamp='1354167146' post='6080740'] Would be fun if you could have more of those situations where your opponent attacks into your face down with a level 5 pluss monster expecting to nuke it, but taking damage instead. You only have defender to do that these days. [/quote] [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/5/5e/SauropodBrachionANPR-EN-R-1E.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Don't forget that almost all Level 4 or below monsters with 2000 ATK or more than 2000 DEF tend to have huge side effects, like Defender giving your opponent an extra draw every turn, which is so counterproductive to defense that it's only really run in Decks that use the drawing as part of the win condition. Other than Defender, the highest defense for a Level 4 monster without a horrible side effect is 2200, off the top of my head, belonging to Gear Golem the Moving Fortress. If you want them to release better defense monsters, except huge side effects that completely nullify their value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1354168696' post='6080751'] Don't forget that almost all Level 4 or below monsters with 2000 ATK or more than 2000 DEF tend to have huge side effects, like Defender giving your opponent an extra draw every turn, which is so counterproductive to defense that it's only really run in Decks that use the drawing as part of the win condition. Other than Defender, the highest defense for a Level 4 monster without a horrible side effect is 2200, off the top of my head, belonging to Gear Golem the Moving Fortress. If you want them to release better defense monsters, except huge side effects that completely nullify their value. [/quote] super crashbug really only has the summoning condition holding it back, and its not a hard one to achieve with the right deck. like its not a competitive card by any means but it would be fun in casual play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Rephrase: Level 4 or lower monster that can be Set without extra effort and doesn't have a huge downside limiting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Rotten Yoshika Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 oh yeah. in that case gear golem or stone statue of the aztecs are your best bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekko1990 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 [quote name='clairedestroyer' timestamp='1354167378' post='6080742'] [img]http://images.wikia.com/yugioh/images/5/5e/SauropodBrachionANPR-EN-R-1E.png[/img] [/quote] Problem with this card is that if you tribute set a monster your opponent unless he/she is derpy, will not attack it and proceed to nuke with a card effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I really want to see a good deck based on brachiom, but sadly it would not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranma 1/2 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Waaaaait, noooo. Use the CelticGuaaarrdiaaan!.dek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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