Dark Bribe

[Zazubat]

One of my personal favorite Counters. Negates any Spell/Trap card for a simple draw. Very useful I would say.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/uZ3vp.png[/img]

[Sora1499]

It's a good card, but it's falling out of favor because it causes you to lose advantage, which is key in our game.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1358166807' post='6120484']
It's a good card, but it's falling out of favor because it causes you to lose advantage, which is key in our game.
[/quote]not if your opponent actvates a card that is a gamechanger.

[Sora1499]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1358167330' post='6120488']
not if your opponent actvates a card that is a gamechanger.
[/quote]
I was referring to card advantage.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1358169629' post='6120499']
I was referring to card advantage.
[/quote]You always be talking about card advantage. It's not everything in a deck, it's also "does your opponent summon that one monster to take off the last of your Life Points". Drawing an extra MST is not as good as not having Stardust on the field I would say.

[The Hounds Of Anubis]

This really is useless outside of 3 scenarios.

Defending Skill Drain.

Defending Macro Cosmos.

Artemis making it a +0.

[Miror B]

Setup defense because your opponent won't drop a second Heavy.

[Zazubat]

Can you tell me of an other counter trap that stops any spell/trap card from being activated for a better cost? Then I will agree that it's not to good.

[101100111000]

Dark Bribe is only good in the hands of a good player. Bribes should be spent mostly on key power Spells/Traps, and not willy-nilly like a blind MST. Think of how useless that draw can be if you negate:

Gateway of the Six
Dark Hole/Heavy Storm
Solemn Judgment/Warning (on a necessary play of course)
Pot of Avarice
Monster Reborn
Card Destruction (vs. Dark Worlds)
Reinforcement of the Army

Because, honestly, I don't see what good the draw does to Sams if they have no Gateway~

[Synchronized]

[quote name='Borderline Unplayable' timestamp='1358173547' post='6120531']
This really is useless outside of 3 scenarios.

Defending Skill Drain.

Defending Macro Cosmos.

Artemis making it a +0.
[/quote]

This. It's [i]amazing[/i] in Counter Fairies, and I liked it as a side in Machina Gadget at the beginning of the format. Won me a lot of games at YCS Providence, especially because of how a lot of the top Decks ran so few Spells/Traps that being able to Bribe their key plays was actually a game-changer. As a generic "staple" though, it's terrible.

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1358177169' post='6120566']
Can you tell me of an other counter trap that stops any spell/trap card from being activated for a better cost? Then I will agree that it's not to good.
[/quote]

It's not that, it's the fact that you lose Card Advantage by using this. You can't just waste this on anything because it'll just give your opponent the upper hand anyways.

[Not-so-Radiant Arin]

<Negate Heavy.
<Your opponent draws Dark Hole.

WELP, NOTHING TO DO HERE! *grabs jetpack*

[Zazubat]

I have already explained that you need to use this to totaly screw your opponent over when they make the move that would change the game. If you think simply "how many cards does my opponent have when I use this" instead of "will I be able to hold myself up againts this next move" you will lose more often.

[quote name='101100111000' timestamp='1358177353' post='6120569']
Dark Bribe is only good in the hands of a good player. Bribes should be spent mostly on key power Spells/Traps, and not willy-nilly like a blind MST. Think of how useless that draw can be if you negate:

Gateway of the Six
Dark Hole/Heavy Storm
Solemn Judgment/Warning (on a necessary play of course)
Pot of Avarice
Monster Reborn
Card Destruction (vs. Dark Worlds)
Reinforcement of the Army

Because, honestly, I don't see what good the draw does to Sams if they have no Gateway~
[/quote]That's a good point, negating the right cards and not MST (which would be retarded unless it was one of your key cards you would lose) is important. I would want to negate PoA because that way only 1 card will be drawn, plus my opponent doesn't get back his useful cards in his deck. There's some cases where I would rather want my opponent to use the effect than get the extra card. I wouldn't want my opponent to have an extra card in an Exodia or Dark World deck.

[Synchronized]

Yes, but if that last move is going to "define" the duel, more often than not it means using Dark Bribe isn't going to do anything but stall for more time. I'd rather use something like CED or Fiendish/Breakthrough to stop their monsters, and not really worry about the S/T's as much.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zero*' timestamp='1358182752' post='6120626']
Yes, but if that last move is going to "define" the duel, more often than not it means using Dark Bribe isn't going to do anything but stall for more time. I'd rather use something like CED or Fiendish/Breakthrough to stop their monsters, and not really worry about the S/T's as much.
[/quote]It's about taste. CED with it's no cost is f***ing amazing, though we're talking about what would be better than to use this and your opponent gets a draw. And Fiendish Chains, while it's nice, it can still be destroyed by a MST. If you use this card no other cards than Spell Speed 3 can touch it. I would much rather want this in my main and have fiendish in my side. Though again, it's about taste in how you play and how you predict what your opponent is going to play.

[Miror B]

[quote name='Zero*' timestamp='1358182752' post='6120626']
Yes, but if that last move is going to "define" the duel, more often than not it means using Dark Bribe isn't going to do anything but stall for more time. I'd rather use something like CED or Fiendish/Breakthrough to stop their monsters, and not really worry about the S/T's as much.
[/quote]
If you're worried about them drawing something better than what you're negating you might be negating the wrong card. Just saying.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Miror~' timestamp='1358190895' post='6120728']
If you're worried about them drawing something better than what you're negating you might be negating the wrong card. Just saying.
[/quote]True that. You might not think of it when looking at the card, but it takes some thought on how/where/when to use it.

[Sora1499]

Using Bribe properly takes skill. You need to know what to negate and when. It's good in decks that absolutely need the big push or the combo going off and can't afford to be hit with torrential, warning, BTH, or MF, but in other decks that can afford the loss, running it is counter-intuitive. In this day and age, a lot of decks can afford the loss, so they don't need this.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Archlord Sora' timestamp='1358191426' post='6120741']
Using Bribe properly takes skill. You need to know what to negate and when. It's good in decks that absolutely need the big push or the combo going off and can't afford to be hit with torrential, warning, BTH, or MF, but in other decks that can afford the loss, running it is counter-intuitive. In this day and age, a lot of decks can afford the loss, so they don't need this.
[/quote]That's true, a lot of decks these days can take the loss, though what I'm trying to run right now doesn't seem to be in that catagory, Photon-Galaxy that is, where if your opponent messes your move up, you're pretty much done. Though it could also be my deck :/

[Synchronized]

[quote name='Miror~' timestamp='1358190895' post='6120728']
If you're worried about them drawing something better than what you're negating you might be negating the wrong card. Just saying.
[/quote]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm fully aware that Dark Bribe takes a significant amount of skill and timing to play, otherwise you're just screwing yourself. But I once Bribe'd a Heavy Storm and the guy drew into MST, hit my Warning, and went for game. It takes smarts to know when to play it.

With that being said, it's not a good Main-Deck card because more often than not you won't need it. As a Side Card, you can use it against things much more selectively.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zero*' timestamp='1358192232' post='6120756']
Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm fully aware that Dark Bribe takes a significant amount of skill and timing to play, otherwise you're just screwing yourself. But I once Bribe'd a Heavy Storm and the guy drew into MST, hit my Warning, and went for game. It takes smarts to know when to play it.

With that being said, it's not a good Main-Deck card because more often than not you won't need it. As a Side Card, you can use it against things much more selectively.
[/quote]can you say that about Fiendish Chains though? Should that be a main? I don't think so in every deck, as I don't say that this should be in every deck. I think they are both equally good, even if you don't need a cost for Fiendish Chains or anything.

[Synchronized]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1358192552' post='6120760']
can you say that about Fiendish Chains though? Should that be a main? I don't think so in every deck, as I don't say that this should be in every deck. I think they are both equally good, even if you don't need a cost for Fiendish Chains or anything.
[/quote]

They're not even on the same wavelength, imo. Dark Bribe is an average-at-best card that is far less useful now than it was at the time of it's release. When it first came out, I would've argued that it was a potential staple.

Last format, Fiendish Chain had it's time in the spotlight as a format-defining card that spiked up to what, $50+?

Now, both of them see a lot less play, but I'd still say Fiendish Chain is a better card. Bribe just isn't necessary in a lot of places and most of the time there are better options.

On top of that, we're talking about two cards that you can't really compare with one another because they serve entirely different purposes.

[Sora1499]

Gotta agree with Neo, fiendish is a better deck option most of the time, even if veiler is a bajillion times better.

[Zazubat]

[quote name='Zero*' timestamp='1358192939' post='6120765']
On top of that, we're talking about two cards that you can't really compare with one another because they serve entirely different purposes.
[/quote]
I didn't mention or wanted to compair the cards to each other, but it was brought up, so needed to at least give my two cents. That said, it, as you said, doesn't make sense to compair the two, rather what should we compair it to? Nobody has really answered that yet.

[Synchronized]

[quote name='Zaziuma' timestamp='1358193348' post='6120773']
I didn't mention or wanted to compair the cards to each other, but it was brought up, so needed to at least give my two cents. That said, it, as you said, doesn't make sense to compair the two, rather what should we compair it to? Nobody has really answered that yet.
[/quote]

You shouldn't, because it's not necessary. The card isn't needed anymore; it's outclassed because other things do it much better. And by "it" I mean help you achieve your win condition.

[Sora1499]

By definition, solemn is the most accurate comparison. Except it's the worst f***ing comparison ever.

The next closest equivalent would be cards like fiendish, because both stop your opponent's plays.