The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 At least play your favourite archetype f***ing properly. ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 [quote name='魁炎星王－ソウコ' timestamp='1358441190' post='6123836'] Beastlord Volcan is bad...... [/quote] wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 -.- Well this is getting off topic, but if any of you wish to show me something I'm missing, then by all means. I'm on DN right now, names Kenji Inuma. Still can't wait for these to be released there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 And so Chance proves he doesn't know s*** about the cards in the OP or their archetype because he asks for a duel to prove. At least, that's what I got from it. Gonna add cards to OP once comp is loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 So this is basically my reaction to reading all the cards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43C2aBKMqeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Gee, at least they could have gotten more creative with the effect of the Xyz, it's practically the same as Tiaramisu. Although it's not as easy to summon as Soko, and it needs to detatch double. The Kalut-esque thing looks ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 After actually dueling against it and seeing it used, Cardinal (The Xyz) is a LOT more balanced than Tiaramisu. It's still really questionable design at best, but it's definitely not as strong as Tiaramisu, standalone wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 After actually dueling against it and seeing it used, Cardinal (The Xyz) is a LOT more balanced than Tiaramisu. It's still really questionable design at best, but it's definitely not as strong as Tiaramisu, standalone wise. Was there ever a doubt of that? Tiara has ticket and chateau to turn her effect into a +5, but this stops at +2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Don't play Fire Fists ever again After seeing several of your matches. I can safely say that I can and WILL keep playing Fire Fists. At least play your favourite archetype f***ing properly. ._. Is not invalid. Beastlord Volcan is bad...... well,"but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name during this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." That's what makes it bad. Still stand by this. And so Chance proves he doesn't know s*** about the cards in the OP or their archetype because he asks for a duel to prove. At least, that's what I got from it. Try again. After actually dueling against it and seeing it used, Cardinal (The Xyz) is a LOT more balanced than Tiaramisu. It's still really questionable design at best, but it's definitely not as strong as Tiaramisu, standalone wise. OT - I saw and it definitely is a great addition to the Deck and probably more potent in Bear Control, seeing as they can pull out at least 2 Beast-Warriors if not Fire Fists same turn. Was there ever a doubt of that? Tiara has ticket and chateau to turn her effect into a +5, but this stops at +2. I just hope the last of the cards don't turn this into something similar to Tiara.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 After seeing several of your matches. I can safely say that I can and WILL keep playing Fire Fists.Get ready to be disappointed then~Also, the new Xyz isn't amazing, but it's definitely good. When you get it off, it's incredible. Just an issue with keeping stuff on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Lily lost games where she had bad hands and in bad matchups. So, what point was made here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 I didn't count the first few games (adjustments to deck are common). I counted the latter 3 I witnessed. Also....Fire Fist shouldn't have a problem against neither Constellars nor Dark Worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Beastlord Volcan is bad...... well, "but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name during this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." That's what makes it bad. Haven't we learned anything with Bahamut Shark and the first 3 Fire Fists? It's so obvious the correct translation is "but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name for the rest of this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." It's just amateur translators making amateur translations. They made the same mistake in the cases I mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Haven't we learned anything with Bahamut Shark and the first 3 Fire Fists? It's so obvious the correct translation is "but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name for the rest of this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." It's just amateur translators making amateur translations. They made the same mistake in the cases I mentioned above. Unfortunately DN has the following: "1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters When this card is Synchro Summoned: Target 1 face-up card you control and 1 face-up card your opponent controls; return those targets to the hand, but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name during this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." Given that, it's similar to Duality, if not the same. So...until that get's cleared up, I'll have to keep using IF I even decide to use it on DN with the effect stated. Once fixed, finalized, or such, then I'll give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Geez, only now do I realize Wolf will grab both a Spell AND a Trap when Flip Summoned, since all effects that activate when the monster is flipped face-up are activated when it's Flip Summoned. Wikia's wording encourage this interpretation, and adds that picking up a Spell "Fire Formation" is actually part of the one for Traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Geez, only now do I realize Wolf will grab both a Spell AND a Trap when Flip Summoned, since all effects that activate when the monster is flipped face-up are activated when it's Flip Summoned. Wikia's wording encourage this interpretation, and adds that picking up a Spell "Fire Formation" is actually part of the one for Traps. Unfortunately that's not true. If it's flipped up for damage calc, it will not set the spell card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Unfortunately that's not true. If it's flipped up for damage calc, it will not set the spell card. Why not? Geargiarmor still goes off in the Damage Step. Misread mostly because the guy above was talking about the flip summon :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pchi Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Unfortunately that's not true. If it's flipped up for damage calc, it will not set the spell card. What I meant is, when Wolf is Flip Summoned, he'll grab both a Spell AND a Trap. But if he's flipped for Damage Calculation, he'll only grab a Trap. Here's wikia's text: If this card is flipped face-up: Set 1 "Fire Formation" Trap Card directly from your Deck, then, if this card was Flip Summoned, Set 1 "Fire Formation" Spell Card directly from your Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 The Xyz is obviously designed to be made with Bull, since Bull sends the cards to the grave and the Xyz returns them to the deck. The Xyz can also return them from the field, but if you're going to achieve the same goal why not get an extra card in the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Wolf is clearly too complicated, I mean people still don't even know how Snoww works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Bull's design is fairly balanced, but with all the Fire Fist monsters currently available (Level 4s anyway) such as Bear and Gorilla, they probably don't even need Bull in the first place. People are going to have to test that out though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Why not just play both Room, I guess? I hadn't normally played both @3. Only in Chicken/Hybrid Builds. Raven > Hawk No. Go home. Beastlord Volcan is bad...... well, "but you cannot activate effects of the returned cards or effects of cards of the same name during this turn. You can only use the effect of "Beastlord Volcan" once per turn." That's what makes it bad. No. Go home. Also....Fire Fist shouldn't have a problem against neither Constellars nor Dark Worlds. I don't see Firestars doing all that good against Pleiades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sora1499 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 They don't play him at 3 because he can clog and isn't necessary now that we have Wolfy. However, now that we have the Cardinal Fist, people are going to start teaching him in at 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 They don't play him at 3 because he can clog and isn't necessary now that we have Wolfy. However, now that we have the Cardinal Fist, people are going to start teaching him in at 1 or 2. I wouldn't call him a tech now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Room, I guess? I hadn't normally played both @3.I played 3 Dragon 2 Wolfberk before because that's pretty godly tbh. Now I just play 2 Dragon 2 Wolfberk 1 Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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